Can you report people to police who break the law, if caught on dashcam?

[sludgeguts]

Some good news - I think.
The head honcho at taxi licensing has sent me an email, apologising most profusely for his minions giving me duff information. It seems that they take passenger safety VERY seriously.
So he's asked if I can drop all footage onto disk and leave it at reception (done a disk for him plus a copy for me - just in case...).
As it happened, I witnessed yet another incident outside another nursing home after I'd dropped off on Friday. It was only after compiling the clips that I realised, the black cab I saw was the same one as I saw in the first incident (I got them the wrong way round in my original comment, sorry) so it seems that this driver makes a habit of transporting any wheelchair passenger sideways, without a seatbelt & without securing the chair.

Now. After getting no reply to my very first complaint, I sent a complaint higher up the food chain at the council. I said that even if they weren't interested in the content, they should at least give me the courtesy of acknowledging my complaint. I heard nothing for many weeks so went to the next phase of complaint (as set out on their own website).
I can't help wondering if top brass have come down hard on the taxi licensing department & kicked a few backsides - hence the sudden interest?

Maybe if these idiots lose their taxi licence it'll send a message out to the rest that CBA to do their job properly?
There's hardly a day goes by where someone isn't complaining about dodgy taxi drivers on local facebook pages - driving fast, blasting through red lights, cutting people up, on their mobile whilst driving. We've even had one drive off with someone's kid still strapped in the back seat! I cannot believe that you, as a driver, are not aware how many passengers you are carrying at any given time!

 

[sludgeguts]

Here it seem police can use dashcam footage, and you dont have to be able to identefy the driver from the footage.
The last part i think is due to new law where police making speed traps no longer have to capture a good pic of the driver too, now fine just go towards the owner of the car and then its his problem to collect if it wasent him driving.

I have always said - send a fine to the owner, if they pretend not to know, make that a more serious offence - big fine, points & scrap the car. These idiots will soon wake up & smell the coffee

 

[parklawn]

Good to hear that something is happening.

 

[sludgeguts]

Reported to DVSA (as per comment) - they said to report to police.
Used the online form for non-emergency & got the following email back...
Dear Sir/Madam
The subject line of this reply contains a Unique Reference Number (URN) that has been created to record the information you have provided.
The information you have provided about the vehicle you witnessed driving dangerously has been added to an observations list. This means when the vehicle is seen by Officers it will be pulled over and the driver will be spoken to about the conduct of their driving.
We recognise the nature of your complaint and know that the manner in which people drive must be dealt with if they are posing a risk to themselves and others. Therefore, if we get any further evidence, we will consider prosecuting the driver

Thank you for taking the time to report this matter to Thames Valley Police.
In other words, despite the obvious use of a mobile & the danger this driver posed, AND the fact that this guy is supposed to be a professional & therefore should know better, we really aren't interested.

 

[ellis456]

A few days ago I had an incident occur on my way to work in the morning, I was turning left from a roundabout which has a merge in when just before that point a car cut right in front of me which I flashed, I was then brake checked 3 times then he sped off only for him to wait for me further ahead at which point rolls his window down making threats. I have all this captured on both front and rear cams with audio. I feel like if I reported it it wouldn't be classed as important unless I was injured etc so I haven't but just kept the footage.

 

[MiiHere]

A few days ago I had an incident occur on my way to work in the morning, I was turning left from a roundabout which has a merge in when just before that point a car cut right in front of me which I flashed, I was then brake checked 3 times then he sped off only for him to wait for me further ahead at which point rolls his window down making threats. I have all this captured on both front and rear cams with audio. I feel like if I reported it it wouldn't be classed as important unless I was injured etc so I haven't but just kept the footage.

You'd have file charges of some kind; harassment, stalking. It would be a stretch, but I don't think you could just show them the footage and ask them to give the person a ticket for brake checking. Things like this should be important, if more bad drivers were given tickets I think it would cut down on the number of road deaths every year - even if only by 1.

 

[Arie1]

The main thing I have come across is "if we'd witnessed...then we could..."
Seems that the only evidence that can be used is from police actually witnessing - and have you ever known the cops to lie?
And this is the reason why standards on the roads are going to hell in a handcart - numbers of police on the roads are being seriously reduced & the morons out there know this, they also know that the few cops left on the roads are busy chasing the handful of drivers that ping their ANPR.

New guy here, what is ANPR?

 

[Dashmellow]

New guy here, what is ANPR?

ANPR = Automatic Number Plate Recognition.

 

[2000rpm]

New guy here, what is ANPR?

Automatic
Number
Plate
Recognition

Cameras mounted (usually) on police vehicles which scan number plates of passing cars and check the databases to see if the car has any reason to be stopped (crime, insurance, road tax etc). If a car goes 'ping' the police will attempt to pull it over, or contact a police unit further along the road to pull it over.

 

[Arie1]

ANPR = Automatic Number Plate Recognition.

Automatic
Number
Plate
Recognition

Cameras mounted (usually) on police vehicles which scan number plates of passing cars and check the databases to see if the car has any reason to be stopped (crime, insurance, road tax etc). If a car goes 'ping' the police will attempt to pull it over, or contact a police unit further along the road to pull it over.

Ah okay, thanks guys.

 

[Witness Auto Dash Cam]

Exactly you can report to them. However, depends on do their department wants to do any extra effort.

I have a case where our wholesales car captured the a thief trying to break into a Japanese restaurant's back door for money. Our camera recorded how he gets into the restaurant and how he ran away.

When there is police, we went to them face to face and inform them the information and video we got and they said they will send someone to get the video. Well, if they want to investigate more about that, they should have come to us to get the video straight ahead and not by saying send someone here. Eventually, no one is coming for the video.

Another is quite fine. We posted a dangerous driving video to YouTube.

It is recorded from one of our customers too. The video clearly shows the mad driver's car plate and we send it to one of the police officers. This time, they do reply us about warning him about the illegal action as a road user. I believe they are doing their job this time.

So, it is really depends on the police department, or any kind of people if they really would like to help.

 

[WaVE2tHe-DsHCm]

I forwarded a few videos to state troopers but it has to be on their dash cam in Florida at least. I would rather forward it to their insurance company.

 

[jean7fkk]

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[Witness Auto Dash Cam]

Just another ridiculous event in Richmond, Vancouver BC.
A car is parked right in the middle of the drive way at Parker Place Mall in Richmond.
When there is some Axxxole doing silly stuffs in the road, just ready to capture it and share it too.

 

[kamkar]

Just another ridiculous event in Richmond, Vancouver BC.

Jesus

Today i just had somthing simmilar, i was shopping and a guy was parked in a handicap spot right next to the shop.
I asked him you dont look that handicapped, he told me to f... off, i said well you drive a Audi so you must at least be mentally handicapped, bet your car before this one was a BMW.
Then i left
Guy was gone when i got back out, wondering a little if my car had been keyed cuz i was parked 3 open handicap slots over from him in the nearest non handicapped P slot.

One of those days where i wish i had parking guard on my cameras

 

[Questor]

And this brings the next question:

Does anyone know of any technical requirements for a video recording (apart of having image quality good enough to be informative) so it can be considered as a legal evidence?

I mean, seriously, folks, just think of this: with the power of modern *professional* video rendering/retouching software tools, and computing power available to average individual let alone company... one with time, skills and reasons can cook virtually *any* footage that would look as real as any other recording. YouTube wow/viral videos must be full of it. This may be one of the reasons why authorities are a bit reluctant to build a case basing on video evidence.

I know some casino CCTV systems have a digital signature with a certificate unique to each camera, and have other measures like camera body sealed, clock synchronized with authorized time source, etc. This gives almost a warranty that the video wasn't tampered or faked, and the manufacturer asserts that such footage can be used as a formal legal evidence. Obviously, these systems are no anywhere close to $40 or even $400, but still...

Is anything similar offered for car CCTV systems? I am looking to buy my first dashcam, and this feature, if available and relevant to U.S. legislation, will be on the top of my priority list.

 

[kamkar]

Not for consumer grade cameras, maybe law enforcement, but then again as news lately have indicated those cameras get tampered with too.

Footage that have been altered in any way is pretty easy to proof, so submitting somthing like that to any one but the entertainment hungry masses on youtube would be bad.
And even then on youtube you will get verbally spanked by a horde of armchair judges out there behind their computer screens.

 

[hablaespanola]

Back in the real world 'The Police' have almost no interest in speed enforcement. SCP's contain very few cops these days and are virtually stand alone organisations. Responce/BCU cops rarely have any interest in Traffic work. This leaves Traffic officers who make up an extremely small % (about 5% in many forces) to concentrate on speed. In fact they do less speed enforcement now than any time I was in the job of Bail Bond. So in fact 'The Police' are not fixated on speed enforcement. It is because of the sheer numbers of drivers who break the law and get caught by cameras that there is this perception.As for drivers becoming worse because they are only concentrating on their speed; I refer you back to my comments about learners managing to do it easily enough.As for the video, I think every new driver should be made to watch it before doing their test.

 

[Dashmellow]

And this brings the next question:

Does anyone know of any technical requirements for a video recording (apart of having image quality good enough to be informative) so it can be considered as a legal evidence?

I mean, seriously, folks, just think of this: with the power of modern *professional* video rendering/retouching software tools, and computing power available to average individual let alone company... one with time, skills and reasons can cook virtually *any* footage that would look as real as any other recording. YouTube wow/viral videos must be full of it. This may be one of the reasons why authorities are a bit reluctant to build a case basing on video evidence.

I know some casino CCTV systems have a digital signature with a certificate unique to each camera, and have other measures like camera body sealed, clock synchronized with authorized time source, etc. This gives almost a warranty that the video wasn't tampered or faked, and the manufacturer asserts that such footage can be used as a formal legal evidence. Obviously, these systems are no anywhere close to $40 or even $400, but still...

Is anything similar offered for car CCTV systems? I am looking to buy my first dashcam, and this feature, if available and relevant to U.S. legislation, will be on the top of my priority list.

You basically need to submit the RAW unedited video directly out of your camera along with any version of it that may be enhanced, such as to bring out details, for example. Despite how slick video special effects may look, there are techniques to determine if original footage directly from your camera has been tampered with and altered. Also, consider that dash cam footage is usually time and date stamped and often includes GPS data embedded in the footage.

The kind of impossible to detect, perfect fake footage you are talking about is far more difficult to achieve than you may think, despite your notion that YouTube "must be full of it". Even if someone where to attempt to do this, it could be impeached after examination by others with similar knowledge, skills and equipment. Also, consider that such video usually needs to be submitted to law enforcement promptly after an accident or incident leaving not a lot of time to manufacture fake dash cam footage.

Generally speaking, I believe your concerns can safely be ignored when shopping for your first dash cam.

 

[kamkar]

Reported this guy to the cops on the day ( 13/7/2016 )

But i have not heard from the cops aside the the auto generated mail rply, so i have to talk to them soon, and if they have done nothing the same go strait to the newspapers so they can do a story on how bad Danish police is.

And we all know the state of a country's police force is a mirror on how the rest of that society is doing.

What go on here in a fjew seconds is enough to loose your license and get a hefty fine too.