Mobile Wi-Fi and F800Pro - Possible? How much data consumption?

Given the big size of these video, transferring via the cloud will be slow even more if you take in account a mobile hotspot as opposed to high speed wifi, regardless what cloud solution

Wrong, when my truck is home and connected to my high speed network its still terribly slow. My nest cams are hooked up to the wifi and when I review data it doesnt lag at all. My nest cam records 24-7
 
Wrong, when my truck is home and connected to my high speed network its still terribly slow. My nest cams are hooked up to the wifi and when I review data it doesnt lag at all. My nest cam records 24-7

There must be something wrong with either your wifi setup, like to many devices on a given wifi router, or wifi signal from the truck. There are at least two very good reasons a direct/local wifi connectivity would always outperform 4g/lte cloud:

1st, wifi speed on modern protocols like 802.11ac have a theoretical limit of 1Gbps, on 802.11n 300Mbps, or even on the old 802.11b is 11Mbps with a good signal – 4G, while theoretically could go up to 50Mbps, in a real live scenario will do at best 4Mpbs on average

2nd, direct wifi connection, local/home networking network normally usually has one hop, your wifi router, therefore has a reduced latency. 4G/cloud setup goes from your device(say camera) -> 4G router -> ISP 4G router -> several other internet routers to reach the cloud -> than back from cloud to your isp -> than back home/mobile device.

Then there is also the interference mitigation factor, 4g/lte has to broadcast over wider areas making it extremely difficult to provide steady performance.

In other words, given the fact that wifi can handle higher speeds and can provide direct/local connection, with a reasonable good wifi router and proper signal it will always be many times faster than any 4g/lte cloud solution.
 
The cameras i have generate about 100 MB every minute they record, so it will get expensive to steam all that not least if you drive a lot.
And not forgetting you will need to be on 4G to make it happen i think, and even in little old and flat but otherwise well covered Denmark you can often find dead spots where you cant even get a call or send a TXT.
But scooting around the major towns and there about 4G will be no problem, but my 20 Gb data package on my phone will fold if i was to drive daily which i dont.

Personally i use 2 GB MO on the phone and the 18 GB left that's only 1 or 2 drives than that's gone too and data then become expensive.
So even if i dident think steaming from a dashcam are silly, then i would need a all together bigger data plan, and that's not going to happen as my current phone/data plan are already way past my needs, and still larger and cheaper than what my provider sell nowadays ( im just good at negotiating a good deal )

And the wifi radio in cameras dash and action are pretty bad, haven't even caught up to 5 GHZ yet, though i think the new Thinkware cameras will have 5 GHZ.
So for now wifi are only recomended for doing settings, and transfer a single file or two if you have plenty of time.
 
If camera’s wifi hardware is poor than that will be the bottleneck for 4g anyway, since camera has to connect to your mobile/4g modem over wifi.

I agree, fulltime streaming won’t make any sense, from a both economical and practical point of view. Maybe uploading a thumbnail image every few seconds or streaming on demand, say by a third party/ a friend or family member, or triggered only when you press the manual button.

However for the purpose I want, a daily/overnight backup, even a slower wifi will do just fine and that being over my local network wont cost a penny. Next time I will do a test of a full copy over, say for 2-3 hours driving a day I usually do, and I will drop a note here.
 
Hi larry, do you think that if the F800 PRO 2ch (with rear camera) record continuos for 10/12 hours , it can transfer all file saved during the night until the morning ?
 
Hi larry, do you think that if the F800 PRO 2ch (with rear camera) record continuos for 10/12 hours , it can transfer all file saved during the night until the morning ?

On my wifi router, which is a bit over crowded at the moment with 10+ devices, it takes around 1.20m to copy 2m video (80Mb) at an average transfer rate 72.2 Mbit/s

By that, for 11h x 2channel of continuous recording, it will take around 13h to copy. However a test I did last night copied 13.8h of video 1ch or 6.9h 2ch in 6h, so you could estimate for 12-13h x 2ch with good signal to take around 10h to copy over.
 
Hi larry, do you think that if the F800 PRO 2ch (with rear camera) record continuos for 10/12 hours , it can transfer all file saved during the night until the morning ?

On my wifi router, which is a bit over crowded at the moment with 10+ devices, it takes around 1.20m to copy 2m video (80Mb) at an average transfer rate 72.2 Mbit/s

By that, for 11h x 2channel of continuous recording, it will take around 13h to copy. However a test I did last night copied 13.8h of video 1ch or 6.9h 2ch in 6h, so you could estimate for 12-13h x 2ch with good signal to take around 10h to copy over.
Thanks a lot Larry ;)

Inviato dal mio SM-N9005 utilizzando Tapatalk
 
Even on the latest firmware it is still unable to stream via a hotspot other that the phone or tablet that’s providing internet. In other words, it is still not possible to remotely connect to the camera. My F800 Pro connects to my car’s hotspot automatically to obtain internet, and so does my phone. But I am unable to communicate with my camera via the app or any other way all though in the same network. Maybe in the future remote connection would be possible.
https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/threads/4g-live-stream-dash-cam.32661/ bro,could you give me some suggestions for our dash cam ?
 
Hy Larry, how much is it, the maximum size of microsdcard for recorder continuos 10-12 hours from front camera (60fps) and rear camera (30 fps). Thanks for all :)
 
Additional information to perhaps help on this thread. I was also trying to create a daily download shell script to download daily videos upon arrival at home.

Thinkware F800PRO
IP: 10.0.1.5 (this is within my network (LAN)) - it will not be same on yours.
Telnet port: 23 – username: root (no password requested)
OS: Linux (Linux a12 3.10.71 #1 PREEMPT Thu Jul 26 09:52:03 KST 2018 armv7l GNU/Linux)
Linux version is determined via the following command: uname -a
Video live stream URL: rtsp://10.0.1.5:554/live (I used VLC)

Recording (mp4) directories:
Temp:
/tmp/SD0/.TWSYS/cont_rec/
Continuous Recording: /tmp/SD0/cont_rec/
Motion timelapse: /tmp/SD0/motion_timelapse_rec/
Event Recording: /tmp/SD0/evt_rec/
Manual Recording: /tmp/SD0/manual_rec/
Parking Recording: /tmp/SD0/parking_rec/

How did I determine the directories?

Telnet as root and cd into the root directory with this command: cd /
Then issue the find command as such: find / -iname *mp4

More research is needed to determine a way to download files. Note I am aware the camera turns WiFi off while in parking mode so all of this is useless while the vehicle is parked.
Try playing with your camera like I did but don't blame me if you screw your camera up by doing this.
 
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Just throwing in ideas here:
Will a MicroSD to SD card extension + Eyefi be helpful?
 
Just throwing in ideas here:
Will a MicroSD to SD card extension + Eyefi be helpful?
Interesting line of thinking Nik, but I assume the Eyefi needs to be powered and will be a drain on the battery as well.
Still a creative idea!
 
Interesting line of thinking Nik, but I assume the Eyefi needs to be powered and will be a drain on the battery as well.
Still a creative idea!

Thank you, you are right on the battery drain, but maybe a test will see if it's viable for short term parking when one is not parked at home.

Looking at the latest firmware log which is just stability update, I think we can forget about Thinkware working on any cloud parking feature. Hoping the smart people here can do something.
 
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Basically to get the camera to switch between front/rear, manual mode, you need to connect to the camera ip, port 7878 (you can do that from a command line with either telnet or putty, on android with something like connectbot ) and send the following sequence of commands:

First: send :{"token":0,"msg_id":257} – to get the token, which is a session like token for the command sequence, you will need to use this for every sub-sequential command in the session. The response will look like: {"rval":0,"msg_id":257,"param":2} – where 2, after the param, is the token you will need to pass in the other commands.

Than you need to send the actual command to switch between front/rear (replace <token> with the token you receive in the first command in this example is 2) :

for rear: {"token":<token>,"param":"preview_rear","msg_id":2049} - in this case will be {"token":2,"param":"preview_rear","msg_id":2049}

and for front : {"token":<token>,"param":"preview_front","msg_id":2049} - in this case will be {"token":2,"param":"preview_front","msg_id":2049}

Tinycam integrates with tasker (android app) - there are four buttons at the bottom, which you can customise for various functions, and there is a plugin in tasker, SendExpect, which can be used/scripted to run/send these commands for you.
I will include the xml export from tasker for the rear/front scripts – you will need to customise these with your camera ip once you import them in tasker.

Hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions.

@Larry Lart Hi, do you have a list of other commands for the Thinkware F800 Pro? I'd like to be able to enable/disable parking mode recording remotely (while the camera is connected to a hotspot). I've just started investigating the protocol with Wireshark but I didn't figure this out yet. Thanks!
 
@Larry Lart Hi, do you have a list of other commands for the Thinkware F800 Pro?


Hi Julian, I abandoned the Thinkware "hacking" and instead work on building a custom dashcam with off-self hardware and opensource.
However I do have some raw notes from back then, I will dump them here, see if you can make sense.
Also, to capture the commands (I did not use the wireshark for this only for the cloud functions), if I recall correctly at the time, I had to kill the cmd process (remoteapi_cmd_daemon) and start one in foreground mode which will output the debug information / commands (I don't recall if I had to running with strace/ptrace you might want to try to run it directly first):

nohup /usr/bin/remoteapi_cmd_daemon > /tmp/SD0/remote_cmd.txt &


With this done, then you can go ahead and run functions from f800 app and monitor the logs to see which is which and what parameters take.

Note, that in parking mode you won't be able to connect to the dashcam as wifi is off.


Same raw notes I took at the time on the remote commands(sorry for lack of detail):

{"token":0,"msg_id":257}

switch to front preview: {"token":2,"param":"preview_rear","msg_id":2049}
switch to back preview: {"token":2,"param":"preview_front","msg_id":2049}

get string info : {"token":3,"param":"device","msg_id":2050}
{"rval":0,"msg_id":2050,"type":"device","param":[{"liveview_url":"rtsp://192.168.10.11/live"},{"micom_ver":-2},{"channel_num":2},{"preview_ch":"preview_front"}]}

// ??get {"token":3,"msg_id":7,"type":"get_file_complete","param":[{"bytes sent":560},{"md5sum":"099d985daf9220e6de6ac3d4c90424ef"}]}

get system params: {"token":3,"param":"system","msg_id":2050}
{"rval":0,"msg_id":2050,"type":"system","param":[{"power":"normal"},{"sdcard":"inserted"},{"rec_status":"continuous"},{"rtsp":"on"},{"lang":["en","en-GB","es","pt","fr","fr-CA","de","it","ru","zh-Hans","zh-Hant-HK","zh-Hant-TW","th","ja","ko"]}]}

get liveview information: {"token":3,"param":"liveview","msg_id":2050}
{"token":3,"param":"liveview","msg_id":2050}{"rval":0,"msg_id":2050,"type":"liveview","param":[{"rec_status":"continuous"},{"voltage":"11.45 v"},{"speed":"0 km/h"},{"date_time":"2017.10.11 02:08:13"},{"gps":"disconnected"},{"mic":"on"}]}
--
{"token":3,"param":"liveview","msg_id":2050}
get gps info {"token":3,"param":"gps","msg_id":2050}
{"rval":0,"msg_id":2050,"type":"gps","param":[{"conn":"connected"},{"sens":"strong"},{"time":"18:40:11"},{"speed":"-"},{"altitude":"127m"},{"hdop":"1.2"}]}
{"token":1,"param":"gps","msg_id":2050}

{"token":3,"param":"preview_rear","msg_id":2049}
{"token":3,"param":"preview_front","msg_id":2049}

wifi_util_enable_listen(72): binding port 7878
cmd_server_start(311): cmd server via BT is not inited
cmd_server_start(353): cmd client7 online (192.168.42.2:39122)
cmd_server_start(353): cmd client8 online (192.168.42.2:51452)
cmd_server_start(353): cmd client9 online (192.168.42.2:44966)
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":0,"msg_id":257}
cmd_server_start(353): cmd client10 online (192.168.42.2:59778)
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"msg_id":2052}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"type":"TCP","token":2,"param":"192.168.42.2","msg_id":261}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"fetch_size":0,"offset":0,"param":"\/tmp\/SD0\/SETTING\/setup.cfg","msg_id":1285}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"param":"device","msg_id":2050}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"param":"space","msg_id":2050}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"param":"system","msg_id":2050}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"msg_id":2054}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"msg_id":2055}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"msg_id":2051}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"msg_id":2054}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"param":"liveview","msg_id":2050}
cmd_server_start(408): client 7 offline

cmd_server_start(408): client 8 offline

cmd_server_start(408): client 10 offline

cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"param":"liveview","msg_id":2050}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"param":"preview_rear","msg_id":2049}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"param":"device","msg_id":2050}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"param":"liveview","msg_id":2050}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"param":"preview_front","msg_id":2049}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"param":"device","msg_id":2050}
binder2 12 netctrl_svc
AmbaMem_mmap: type 0, mmap 0xaf980000(0xf980000) to 0x29d85000 with size=c681000 successfully!!
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":257,"param":2}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2052,"param":[{"model":"F800PRO"},{"uuid":""}]}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":261}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":1285,"rem_size":560,"size":560}
9: {"token":2,"msg_id":7,"type":"get_file_complete","param":[{"bytes sent":560},{"md5sum":"099d985daf9220e6de6ac3d4c90424ef"}]}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2050,"type":"device","param":[{"liveview_url":"rtsp://192.168.42.1/live"},{"micom_ver":-2},{"channel_num":2},{"preview_ch":"preview_front"}]}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2050,"type":"space","param":[{"free":15736704},{"total":126057472}]}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2050,"type":"system","param":[{"power":"normal"},{"sdcard":"inserted"},{"rec_status":"continuous"},{"rtsp":"on"},{"lang":["en","en-GB","es","pt","fr","fr-CA","de","it","ru","zh-Hans","zh-Hant-HK","zh-Hant-TW","th","ja","ko"]}]}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2054,"type":"main","param":0}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2055,"type":"sub","param":0}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2051}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2054,"type":"main","param":0}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2050,"type":"liveview","param":[{"rec_status":"stopped"},{"voltage":"11.54 v"},{"speed":"0 km/h"},{"date_time":"2017.10.11 01:52:19"},{"gps":"disconnected"},{"mic":"on"}]}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2050,"type":"liveview","param":[{"rec_status":"continuous"},{"voltage":"11.54 v"},{"speed":"0 km/h"},{"date_time":"2017.10.11 01:52:20"},{"gps":"disconnected"},{"mic":"on"}]}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2049,"type":"preview_rear","param":0}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2050,"type":"device","param":[{"liveview_url":"rtsp://192.168.42.1/live"},{"micom_ver":-2},{"channel_num":2},{"preview_ch":"preview_rear"}]}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2050,"type":"liveview","param":[{"rec_status":"continuous"},{"voltage":"11.39 v"},{"speed":"0 km/h"},{"date_time":"2017.10.11 01:52:29"},{"gps":"disconnected"},{"mic":"on"}]}

9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2049,"type":"preview_front","param":0}
9: {"rval":0,"msg_id":2050,"type":"device","param":[{"liveview_url":"rtsp://192.168.42.1/live"},{"micom_ver":-2},{"channel_num":2}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"param":"liveview","msg_id":2050}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"msg_id":2054}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"msg_id":2054}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"msg_id":2053}
cmd_server_start(411): 9: {"token":2,"msg_id":258}
cmd_server_start(408): client 9 offline

******************************

to login: {"msg_id":257,"token":0}
Response:

{ "msg_id": 7, "type": "vf_stop" }
{ "rval": 0, "msg_id": 257, "param": 1 }
"param" - Your token, you need to pass it in later requests.
Messages with id 7 are status updates:
"vf_stop" - ????

{"msg_id":10,"token":1}

{"msg_id":9,"param":"streaming_source","token":1}
{"msg_id":9,"param":"piv_source","token":1}

{"msg_id":2,"token":1, "type":"streaming_source", "param":"vin_1"}
{"msg_id":2,"token":1, "type":"streaming_source", "param":"vin_0"}

{"msg_id":2,"token":1, "type":"vin_channel", "param":"vin_0"}

{"msg_id":2,"token":1, "type":"piv_source", "param":"vin_0"}

{"msg_id":3,"token":1}{"rval":0,"msg_id":3,"param":[
{"video_quality":"sfine"},
{"video_resolution":"1920x1080 30P 16:9"},
{"video_resolution_ch1":"1920x1080 30P 16:9"},{"default_setting":"n/a"},{"camera_clock":"2017-10-11 00:44:57"},{"vin_channel":"vin_1"},{"piv_source":"vin_0"},{"streaming_source":"vin_1"}]}

FilePrintList
{"msg_id":1282,"token":3, "param":" -D -S"}
{"msg_id":1282,"token":1, "param":" -D -S /tmp/SD0/cont_rec/"}
{"rval":0,"msg_id":1282,"listing":[
{"bin/":"5896 bytes|2017-07-27 02:23:13"},
{"dev/":"2760 bytes|1970-01-01 05:47:34"},
{"etc/":"2128 bytes|2017-07-27 02:23:15"},
{"lib/":"2712 bytes|2017-07-27 02:23:14"},{"mnt/":"160 bytes|2017-04-04 02:30:51"},{"opt/":"160 bytes|2017-04-04 02:30:51"},{"run/":"380 bytes|2017-10-10 23:56
:31"},{"tmp/":"380 bytes|2017-10-10 23:56:31"},{"sys/":"0 bytes|1970-01-01 05:47:33"},{"var/":"736 bytes|2017-07-27 02:23:15"},{"usr/":"544 bytes|2017-07-27 02:
23:13"},{"home/":"288 bytes|2017-07-27 02:23:15"},{"init":"242 bytes|2017-04-04 02:30:51"},{"pref/":"0 bytes|1961-11-25 23:19:32"},{"proc/":"0 bytes|1970-01-01
00:00:00"},{"sbin/":"5040 bytes|2017-07-27 02:23:14"},{"root/":"376 bytes|2017-04-04 02:30:51"},{"linuxrc":"892368 bytes|2017-07-27 02:23:13"},{"lib32/":"2712 b
ytes|2017-07-27 02:23:14"},{"media/":"160 bytes|2017-04-04 02:30:51"}]}

Ports:

7878: /usr/bin/remoteapi_cmd_daemon
8787: /usr/bin/remoteapi_data_daemon
9888: /usr/bin/AmbaEventNotifyDaemon
 
@Larry Lart thanks a lot. This is really helpful.

I know wifi is off in parking mode but I'll be switching the camera on with a remote relay, and then, ideally, I'd like to connect to it and send commands through its hotspot connection.

Good luck with your project, sounds really good.
 
Meanwhile things can be done as to allow streaming, from using apps like tiny cam , as a proxy, which can do cloud streaming as well, to using your mifi portable modem with port forwarding on 554 and a dynamic dns for the ip discovery – sorry the technical jargon, I will try different setups, when I get a little bit of time and maybe I make doc for whom interested.
I just got my F800 Pro a couple weeks ago. Been trying to figure out how to live stream to my in-car head unit (using Sprint drive for in-car wifi). I use rtsp for a variety of security cams in my home, and thought that would be a great way to communicate with F800 -- but didn't know it supported it until I found your posts!

Did you ever put that doc together? If so, I'd really like to have a link to it. I've also been using tasker for a couple years now, so I'm kind of excited about the possibilities.

Thanks!
 
Additional information to perhaps help on this thread. I was also trying to create a daily download shell script to download daily videos upon arrival at home.

Thinkware F800PRO
IP:
10.0.1.5 (this is within my network (LAN)) - it will not be same on yours.
Telnet port: 23 – username: root (no password requested)
OS: Linux (Linux a12 3.10.71 #1 PREEMPT Thu Jul 26 09:52:03 KST 2018 armv7l GNU/Linux)
Linux version is determined via the following command: uname -a
Video live stream URL: rtsp://10.0.1.5:554/live (I used VLC)

Recording (mp4) directories:
Temp:
/tmp/SD0/.TWSYS/cont_rec/
Continuous Recording: /tmp/SD0/cont_rec/
Motion timelapse: /tmp/SD0/motion_timelapse_rec/
Event Recording: /tmp/SD0/evt_rec/
Manual Recording: /tmp/SD0/manual_rec/
Parking Recording: /tmp/SD0/parking_rec/

How did I determine the directories?

Telnet as root and cd into the root directory with this command: cd /
Then issue the find command as such: find / -iname *mp4

More research is needed to determine a way to download files.
I figured out how to download files. The F800 Linux system has an ftp daemon. It is not, however, enabled. To turn it on, you telnet to the F800 as per your instructions, then enter:

tcpsvd -vE 0.0.0.0 21 ftpd /tmp/SD0

You can then use your favorite ftp client to ftp to the F800 and download to your heart's delight.

What I have not figured out is how to make the F800 enable the ftp server each time it boots up.

Anybody have any ideas on that one?
 
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I just got my F800 Pro a couple weeks ago. Been trying to figure out how to live stream to my in-car head unit (using Sprint drive for in-car wifi). I use rtsp for a variety of security cams in my home, and thought that would be a great way to communicate with F800 -- but didn't know it supported it until I found your posts!

Did you ever put that doc together? If so, I'd really like to have a link to it. I've also been using tasker for a couple years now, so I'm kind of excited about the possibilities.

Thanks!
I did figure out how to live stream using rtsp.

I first downloaded and installed a network scanner app to find the IP address of the F800.

The rtsp url to connect to the F800 will then be: rtsp://<your f800 ip address>:554/live. See this post: https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/threa...uch-data-consumption.31689/page-2#post-420761

Next I downloaded and installed theTinyCam app. I clicked on option to add a new camera, and put in the required info, in particular the rtsp url above. I also had to set the encoder to "Hardware" in video settings.

And Whammo! It works. The video is kind of choppy, but if you just want a live stream to your android device from your F800, this is one way to do it -- so long as both devices are connected to the same wifi network.
 
The video is kind of choppy, but if you just want a live stream to your android device from your F800, this is one way to do it -- so long as both devices are connected to the same wifi network.

@SomebodySysop I also enabled remote access to my F800 pro. My (overkill/over engineered) setup:
  • Installed a 4g router (Teltonika Rut240) in my car and set it as an OpenVpn client so it connects into my home network (where I have an OpenVpn server).
  • On the 4g router I added static MAC/IP mapping so the F800 pro camera is always assigned the 192.168.42.1 IP (this is the IP the iOS app is always trying to connect to even if your phone is connected to your home Wifi).
  • Set up the dash cam to connect to my 4g router's SSID (I think it's the hotspot config mode from the iOS app but you can also do it by editing the /pref/wifi_hotspot file from the dash cam)
  • Added some static routes so my home router/VPN server are aware of the 192.168.42.0 network
  • Installed a relay in the car which turns on the router and wakes up the camera from parking mode by sending current on the ACC wire; the relay is energised by my car alarm (Pandora Smart Pro) which supports custom commands but a wifi relay switch can also be used for this.
Once I remotely turn on the router/wake up the camera from parking mode, it connects to the 4g router and it becomes available from my home network. The iOS app thinks it's connected straight to the camera, so I have all its functions including the Live Preview; tested the rtsp as well and it works just fine.

I can also OpenVpn from my phone into my home network so I can basically access the camera from anywhere.
 
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