AI do you know or care if it is or not? How can you tell for sure. Like really for sure? By using AI to tell you?!!!

[LateralNW]

OK lets start a chat about AI and technical writing. style writing in particular.

Here is a quote from an AI engine warning about the results it posts and that it is possible for it to be wrong - shock horror lol

Note on AI Detectors:
Keep in mind that AI detectors are not always accurate. They often misidentify heavily structured, formal, or technical writing (like product reviews or spec sheets) as AI-generated, even if written entirely by a human.

So with that in mind when can you be sure the result you get are accurate?

Does it really matter if the content of the information is correct and discovered by the reviewer with prose helped by the AI that are later humanly rewritten so it makes sense?

I look forward to what the Dashcam community thinks of using tools to help them write a review including grammar checkers, spell checkers, cut and past information from the dashcam company that originally posted it and should you acknowledge that your information has been based on the company spec sheet and not from you pulling the unit apart to prove if it is true or not?

Keep in mind that if you even use a spell checker / grammar engine / thesaurus/ synonym / Antonyms you are in effect not writing in your own hand. and have had assistance. The grammar checker may help structure the sentence better then can think of at the time. Using a spell checker could be because you know the word but just can't remember how to spell it. Using Thesaurus synonym antonyms and am sure many other tools that I don't know about as I didn't major in English linguistics or in Literature and Critical Theory are available so is it wrong to use them to get your point across?

If you are dyslexic are you a lesser of a person if you use all of the tools available to you to get your message across in a understandable way or is it ok to be discriminated against?

We have been using tools to help us for ages including the dictionary which in my case didn't help. My mother would say look it up meaning look up the correct spelling, how do you do that when you don't know what the first letter is? An example is the word 'phonetic' you'll never find that word if you go by the sound of it.


So are tools that help you, should they all be banned? Perhaps we can be selective in the tools we think are ok today but will no doubt be different at some point in the future just like a dictionary. How many people even have one in their house that is under 40yo ? I am talking about the book hard cover copy not an electronic device.

 

[lufa6977]

Using a thesaurus, dictionary, or other language tools to correct your thoughts on paper is substantially different than AI writing the material. A grammar checker may suggest using 'dog' or 'canine' instead of 'doggie' for the message the writer wants to convey. Some grammar checkers will suggest a different sentence structure that aligns with the chosen writing style and audience. While AI-like mechanisms make these suggestions, AI did not write the original material; the author did. In this case, the author is using a tool to improve their writing skills and to correct their writing to a known standard. This is not AI-generated content.

The above post has been checked at 9 percent AI-like content, with 34 suggestions for improvement for the entire post.

This is the AI-like content according to one AI checker:

Note on AI Detectors:
Keep in mind that AI detectors are not always accurate. They often misidentify heavily structured, formal, or technical writing (like product reviews or spec sheets) as AI-generated, even if written entirely by a human.

When someone has a known writing style, and it suddenly changes or becomes too polished, readers notice. Especially here, where readers come to learn about technical details and more.

I asked Grok to write an opinion on the Wolfbox G900 TriPro. It came back highly polished, and when I checked it with an AI checker, it showed 36 percent AI-like patterns. A formalizer tool can tone down the AI-like content. Still, some AI-like patterns almost always remain. The point here is that this AI content had a readability score from 12th grade to College 5. Pretty high, actually, for most people.

Ultimately, did the author write the material and use grammar tools to validate it, or did they use AI to write an opinion, then run it through a grammar tool and a formalizer to soften the AI-like material and call it a review?

 

[Chuck McCoy]

OK lets start a chat about AI

AI has been trying to kill us since 1968.
AI launched global thermonuclear war in 1983.
Last credible threat was 1991.
AI wants to kill us all.
Movies always come true.
Death to AI.

 

[Chuck McCoy]

technical writing. style writing in particular.

I'll answer this in a new reply.

 

[DashCamMan]

While I am weary of AI slop posts, using AI as a tool to help with writing is becoming a fact of life. Even the Wall Street Journal defended Stanley Druckenmiller for using AI for his op-ed that was published in their newspaper a few weeks ago. If someone is using AI to polish their posts / reviews / feedback but there is substance to the post (i.e. they did review the camera, have photos, videos, etc.) then I think it is acceptable. If there is no substance to the post, that is a different story and will be deleted.

 

[mentadent]

People had similar concerns when spell check turned to grammar check in Microsoft Word etc.

 

[Augustus]

While I am weary of AI slop posts, using AI as a tool to help with writing is becoming a fact of life. Even the Wall Street Journal defended Stanley Druckenmiller for using AI for his op-ed that was published in their newspaper a few weeks ago. If someone is using AI to polish their posts / reviews / feedback but there is substance to the post (i.e. they did review the camera, have photos, videos, etc.) then I think it is acceptable. If there is no substance to the post, that is a different story and will be deleted.

Very good points, but there also may be a blurry line where someone asks AI to write them a review about a particular product. Then the end user edits the specs, or model name.

Then where is that distinction made? Does it put others at a disadvantage that spend an hour or two writing out their own paragraphs for their reviews? Others may feel cheated that they spend hours on written component of a review while others spent five minutes running it through an AI prompt.

 

[Chuck McCoy]

OK lets start a chat about AI

I just opened YouTube, and clicked on the NEWS tab to see what happened today, and I see this 🤖🤖🤖💀💀💀
I guess I need to delete my browser history 🤣

 

[DashCamMan]

Very good points, but there also may be a blurry line where someone asks AI to write them a review about a particular product. Then the end user edits the specs, or model name.

Then where is that distinction made? Does it put others at a disadvantage that spend an hour or two writing out their own paragraphs for their reviews? Others may feel cheated that they spend hours on written component of a review while others spent five minutes running it through an AI prompt.

I agree, it is not clear cut but i am leaning to allow people to use the tools vs banning them outright as it would be difficult to police and would run into false positives as well. If it makes people more efficient, that could be overall positive as they can focus more on understanding the details of the product rather than focusing on the writing.

 

[Augustus]

I agree, it is not clear cut but i am leaning to allow people to use the tools vs banning them outright as it would be difficult to police and would run into false positives as well. If it makes people more efficient, that could be overall positive as they can focus more on understanding the details of the product rather than focusing on the writing.

It all sets a precedent I guess..

 

[LateralNW]

If it makes people more efficient, that could be overall positive as they can focus more on understanding the details of the product rather than focusing on the writing.

Efficiency and writing content from first hand experience is the important point. No hearsay unless that's mentioned as such.
Letting readers know your source for information as a nod to the original source person/magazine/reporter

Some use a template structure to write like a company might expect, while others can write straight off the top of their heads ( As they remember what they did without notes ) while others use tools.

I don't see it as a competition to see or judge who writes the best. The people reading the reviews will make up their own minds.

Misinformation can happen but disinformation which AI can be poisoned to do even by accident is when I see AI being a problem.

Being used as a grammar checker/helper with the text that's written being proof read, is just as important as a newspaper proof editors role.
It needs to be proof read to prevent errors getting in.

allow people to use the tools

When AI gets smart enough I doubt anyone will be able to spot it being AI generated however right now I doubt an informative technical correct article can be written by AI.

Spending hours and hours on the technical insight and getting writing tools to help collaborate the information seems to be an efficient way to impart the authors first hand experience.

@DashCamMan thanks for getting involved.

 

[Karagandinez]

For an end user seeking specific information, it makes no difference how or by whom a review was written;
what matters is simply accurate information.
If a user encounters false information in a review, they will stop paying attention to that author's posts,
regardless of the tools used to create the review.
That is my personal opinion as a reader. 😎

 

[mentadent]

I guess we should be weary of AI posts when they have inaccurate information.

Most large language models will hallucinate or guess actual facts and figures. An example can be seen when you ask it for the specific season and episode number of a TV show, or as for if one time was before another time.

In my opinion if it's used to improve the writing and structure it's great, but only as a supervised tool, and not for a bilge pump of content, which would degrade the site as a useful source.

 

[Chuck McCoy]

When AI gets smart enough I doubt anyone will be able to spot it being AI generated

it makes no difference how or by whom a review was written

if it's used to improve the writing and structure it's great

I disagree.
Death to all forms of AI 🤖🤖🤖☠️☠️☠️
But like DashCamMan said;
“It would be difficult to police”

it would be difficult to police

 

[Augustus]

I disagree.
Death to all forms of AI 🤖🤖🤖☠️☠️☠️
But like DashCamMan said;
“It would be difficult to police”

It is difficult to police at times which is the problem. I have always had no issues with it being used to refine or assist someone writing a review, but I am positive there have been instances where someone has typed a prompt asking for a whole review to be written by AI. And then changed the specs and called it a day.

That is what I call lazy and a disservice to others who spent hours on their facts and findings and completed their review.

 

[Chuck McCoy]

I have always had no issues with it being used to refine or assist someone writing a review

I disagree.
We ain’t producing creative writing for leisure reading.
Our reviews serve as “reference material”.

What are manufacturer specifications?
Does it perform to specifications?
What does it do?
What doesn’t it do?
What’s improved from last years model?
How does it compare to it’s closest competitors?
What are Pros & Cons & Final Thoughts?
What’s missing?
What needs improvement?
Would you buy this with your own cash money?
Would you recommend this to friends & family?
Is this E-Waste?
What’s it like using it for 1-3-6 Months, (observe & report)?

Explain things so a 10 year old could understand.
This ain’t rocket science.
None of this requires any use of AI.
Death to all forms of AI 🤖🤖🤖☠️☠️☠️

 

[Augustus]

I disagree.
We ain’t producing creative writing for leisure reading.
Our reviews serve as “reference material”.

What are manufacturer specifications?
Does it perform to specifications?
What does it do?
What doesn’t it do?
What’s improved from last years model?
How does it compare to it’s closest competitors?
What are Pros & Cons & Final Thoughts?
What’s missing?
What needs improvement?
Would you buy this with your own cash money?
Would you recommend this to friends & family?
Is this E-Waste?
What’s it like using it for 1-3-6 Months, (observe & report)?

Explain things so a 10 year old could understand.
This ain’t rocket science.
None of this requires any use of AI.
Death to all forms of AI 🤖🤖🤖☠️☠️☠️

Good point. Something we mostly agree on haha

 

[LateralNW]

It is difficult to police at times which is the problem. I have always had no issues with it being used to refine or assist someone writing a review, but I am positive there have been instances where someone has typed a prompt asking for a whole review to be written by AI. And then changed the specs and called it a day.

That is what I call lazy and a disservice to others who spent hours on their facts and findings and completed their review.

Please enlighten us all.
Show a prompt from an AI engine that creates without any or little intervention on a latest released Dashcam. With the things a good reviewer picks up that it's not in the dashcams companies brochures.

Make sure your AI check engine says it's 100% AI written as part of the proof.

I wait with baited breath.
God luck you'll need it.

 

[kamkar]

A few weeks ago i wrote a comment on a youtube video, and got record likes for it, like over 2K now.
BUT ! there is also some American Chick going totally off on it.

My comment.
TBH i would assume there was a filter like this in the editing tool, user definable of course so just like he swirl his finger in it, so can you in the editing software.But yeah 60ties " far our dude" photography tricks.


The girls comment to my post.
****ing what?
Idk what this word salad is but damn, did it hurt my brain trying to read it.

Now i know i do not bother too much with actual English grammar, just like i do not even do in my native tongue, but i was not aware i was torturing people to that degree.

 

[mentadent]

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