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So far it appears that the rare blood clot issues that are appearing in the AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines are due to a specific antibody response in some people. Interestingly, both the J&J and AstraZeneca vaccines use an adenovirus, (a cold virus) to carry the spike gene into the body. Johnson & Johnson uses a human adenovirus to create its vaccine, while AstraZeneca uses a chimpanzee version. The Pfizer/BioNtech and Moderna vaccines use mRNA genetic material to activate immunity to the SARS Cov-2 virus and this doesn't appear to generate an immune response that causes platelet clumping like the AZ and J&J vector.
nothing to do with blood clotting but given the choice I'd prefer to get one the mRNA type vaccines, it just seems to be the better approach to me, unfortunately I doubt the choice will be offered and I'll have to get the AstraZeneca vaccine instead as that's what they're using here for the bulk of the population
 
J&J was supposed to be the big brand here, with us buying about 2X more of that compared to the other ones. ( +8 mill doses as i recall )

The PB one i think we ordered 4.5 mill doses, so enough for 2.25 mill people, about 1/3 of all Danes, the ? is how many doses can we get. i think the numbers are the same for the AZ vaccine.
Sunday they held the #2 bit jab in the arm test with 100.000 getting a jab, and this time it ram smoother with the only problem being the do good Danes turning up too early, bacially people was in and out of there in 30 minutes including the mandatory observation time for side effects.
If supply get there, we should be able to jab even more than that every day, i think at least 2X.

My mother got her corona passport today, in writing as she are not digital, just too bad she can barely stand up or walk so not really much use for it.
I got my haircut days ago, my barber did not care much for goberment laws, and i also doubt he will be paying tax on the 100 Dkkr i paid to get my 4 mm buzz cut in 15 minutes.
 
nothing to do with blood clotting but given the choice I'd prefer to get one the mRNA type vaccines, it just seems to be the better approach to me, unfortunately I doubt the choice will be offered and I'll have to get the AstraZeneca vaccine instead as that's what they're using here for the bulk of the population
The more I've learned about them, I've become a fan of Uğur Şahin, Özlem Türeci, the husband and wife founders of BioNtech and Dr. Katalin Karikó and Dr. Drew Weissman the groundbreaking researchers whose work decades ago made today's mRNA vaccines possible, so I was kind of hoping to get the Pfizer vaccine. Still, I was happy to be offered the Moderna vaccine which these scientists were ultimately responsible for as well. I like the idea of receiving a cutting edge 21st century vaccine with a heretofore unheard of efficacy and an excellent safety profile.

The AZ and J&J vaccines are a bit more old school and their efficacy and safety profiles are not quite as good but the blood clotting issues, although very serious, seem to be quite rare and there is no reason not to be comfortable receiving them.
 
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Sadly the Turks we have here in Denmark, well not in that class of successful

Some having been here since the late 70ties, dont even speak the language yet, my mother visited one as a nurse social worker, the guy was senile grabbing the ladies in the naughty places, the family just stood there laughing, in the end they had to have police escort to change a guys diapers,,,,,,, embarrassing.

Denmark are not good at integrating people,,,,,,, not good at all.
 
i also doubt he will be paying tax on the 100 Dkkr i paid to get my 4 mm buzz cut in 15 minutes.
I gave myself my own haircut. It did not turn out to bad.
It is a little long in the back but that is what touch ups are for.
 
I was thinking along those lines, or rather have my friend do it, de do his own 1 mm haircut just fine, so if he had a adapter for the buzzer with a few more MM on it i would have been game.

Dont care much for hair i wish there was some magic spell that could stop it growing, not least on my cheeks cuz i have always hated shaving.
 
The AZ and J&J vaccines are a bit more old school and their efficacy and safety profiles are not quite as good but the blood clotting issues, although very serious, seem to be quite rare and there is no reason not to be comfortable receiving them.
my preference for the mRNA vaccines is not due to the blood clotting issues that have come up recently, before they'd even started giving them out all the reading I had done suggested the mRNA was the better approach, and had better future possibilities based on the same technology
 
my preference for the mRNA vaccines is not due to the blood clotting issues that have come up recently, before they'd even started giving them out all the reading I had done suggested the mRNA was the better approach, and had better future possibilities based on the same technology

That too!
 
In the testing on mice, the Danish vaccine on the capsid like particle ( cVLP ) principle was as promising as the PB results way up in the 90ties protection.
The pother vaccine named covaxix is also a dna ( spike DNA )
 
I don't know that very many of us will have a choice of vaccines; most are going to get whatever is made available to them. Here in SC almost none of the vaccine-administering sites make it known which one they're currently using- you have to ask ahead of time. AFAIK my State's supply of the J&J jab is still being reserved for 'special case' use and all I've heard about otherwise has been Moderna. I'd be happy with any 2-jab vaccine, but it seems Pfizer and Moderna are doing better overall in protection and side-effects. Only time will prove the winner, and TBH I'm not sure that matters if the top contenders are within a few percent of each other. Long-term efficacy and side-effects are still unknown, the same for effectiveness against mutations.

My main concern is what the long-term effects of mRNA vaccines will be. With them we're getting very deep into the very complex human system where we still do not know and understand a lot of things. Altering one thing could cascade into other things being changed in certain circumstances or in a sufficient amount of time. I won't live long enough to grow two heads, but what of kids born 3 generations from now- are we absolutely certain nothing like this will happen? DNA and RNA do change through generations and mixing. I think mRNA is a good approach for this pandemic, but I think we need to exercise great restraint in using it on a day-to-day basis for other things until we're absolutely certain of everything we're doing and of what it may cause. Attempts to use mRNA for other things might not work as well as it seems to do for Covid. With the older more conventional vaccines at least we do know what we're doing and what might happen simply because we've got a history with them. So even if they may not be as good with Covid there is something good to be said of them ;)

Humanity is at the verge of crossing the line from wisdom to unchangeable regret in many ways. Let's hope none of the Covid vaccines induce us into crossing that line.

Phil
 
I don't know that very many of us will have a choice of vaccines;. Long-term efficacy and side-effects are still unknown, the same for effectiveness against mutations.

My main concern is what the long-term effects of mRNA vaccines will be.


Phil
I am hoping the MRNA vaccines do not cause mutations in the humans who get vaccinated.
 
I don't believe that it's impossible. Based on what we do know it seems impossible, but my point is that we don't necessarily know enough yet to be fooling around with the basic building blocks of human life on a widespread scale.

I think that in time the use of mRNA Covid vaccine is going to show some unexpected effect somewhere, for there's nothing in this world which does not affect something else. What that may be and how much effect it has I have no idea, but we've made plenty of mistakes thinking something was safe then later discovered it wasn't.

If I were hugely worried about it I wouldn't have accepted my Moderna jab. It's more of a philosophical point in our approaches to matters like these ;)

Phil
 
Al long as it dont make people into fast moving and intelligent zombies i am fine, cuz the slow foot dragging ones i can deal with.
 
Zombies are easy to deal with, but if it created a race of politicians and preachers I'd have to choose suicide as the better option :ROFLMAO:

Phil
 
OMG that would be horrifying :eek:
That decease is as bad as i would ever want it to be.
 
Right now live press briefing from the high seat of the ruling elite, Denmark will not use the AZ vaccine moving forward.

I think that say a lot about the people the Danes vote for, and us Danes too.

Good news extra 50 million PB vaccines in route to the EU
 
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Right now live press briefing from the high seat of the ruling elite, Denmark will not use the AZ vaccine moving forward.

I think that say a lot about the people the Danes vote for, and us Danes too.
Just as another study shows that the AZ is the most effective at preventing death!

The UK study also found that a critical component of the immune system known as T cells showed a more enhanced response in those who got the AstraZeneca/Oxford University vaccine than in those who got the Pfizer/BioNTech one.
 
I don't believe that it's impossible. Based on what we do know it seems impossible, but my point is that we don't necessarily know enough yet to be fooling around with the basic building blocks of human life on a widespread scale.

I think that in time the use of mRNA Covid vaccine is going to show some unexpected effect somewhere, for there's nothing in this world which does not affect something else. What that may be and how much effect it has I have no idea, but we've made plenty of mistakes thinking something was safe then later discovered it wasn't.

If I were hugely worried about it I wouldn't have accepted my Moderna jab. It's more of a philosophical point in our approaches to matters like these ;)

Phil
Any odd effects are almost certain to be in the first few days. All the vaccines work in the same way, it is only the method used to deliver the mRNA that differs, the mRNA vaccines do it more directly, after a few days there should be nothing of the delivery method left in the body.

The 15 minute wait while checking for shock symptoms is because of the delivery method used for the mRNA vaccines, it is not a problem with the virus based vaccines, both types have positives and negatives.
 
Yeah but the 1 in 40.000 having severe issues scare the hell out of some people here it seem, 50 % of Danes would pass on the AZ vaccine if they was given it.
To me just prove how absolutely pampered / over protected Danes are, pretty much no risk takers left here just ignorant plebs.

Personally i would probably also pass on the AZ vaccine, but also others if i could get a Danish made vaccine by the end of the year instead, even if i would so be a guinea pig in regard to that vaccine.
 
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