DIY programmable delay shutdown circuit

erkme73

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I'm not an electrician or engineer. But, I've always felt having a dash camera shut down as I leave my vehicle made little sense. Maybe it's paranoia, but I figure if someone was mad about my driving habits, and they're motivated enough to damage my vehicle, it'll likely be shortly after I park and walk away.

The problem with wiring these cameras to constant 12V is that, over time, they will kill the vehicle's starting battery. Devices designed to kill power to a circuit when the vehicle battery drops to a certain level are intriguing, but ultimately, I think they too stress the batteries by running them down more than normal.

I've found a very nice "Swiss Army knife" of timed relays on Amazon for about USD17. It can be configured about 18 different program scenarios. The one I (we) need for our dash camera is one that stays on for X:XX after the accessory power has turned off.

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It comes just like it looks, so you'll need to pick up a small project box (2" x 3") from Radio Shack.

By supplying the relay with constant 12V, and using the ACC power to 'trigger' the relay timer, any circuit can be powered for a user-defined amount of time after the ACC power has dropped.

Of course, the problem with most dash cameras is that they require 5VDC, not 12. Since the relay contacts are isolated, you can switch 5VDC. But, the problem with such a low voltage is that if you're powering something at a distance of more than a couple of feet, or powering more than one camera, the 5VDC at the camera may drop below whatever minimum the camera needs.

For that reason, I'm switching 12VDC, and running that to the locations where my cameras are installed. Since I'm powering four cameras (one facing each direction, just above the camera location (above the headliner), I've terminated the 12VDC run with a small voltage regulator that drops the voltage to 5VDC. To the output side of the regulator, I solder a micro USB cable.

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This regulator is about 3/4" wide, and about 1.5" long. It fits inside heatshrink tubing and disappears behind the headliner trim. The potentiometer on the regulator lets you dial in your exact output voltage, regardless of input voltage (up to 35VDC).

The end result is that the cameras stay on, in my case, for 1 hour after I leave the vehicle. In most cases, what ever errand I'm running, I'm back to the car before the hour expires. And even if not, chances are, any one bent on doing harm to my vehicle will most likely do it within the first hour.
 
Interesting idea.

I'm not an electrician or engineer. ............ Maybe it's paranoia, but .....
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Many greatest discoveries in this world comes from "non-specialists", because of non-conventional thinking. I am in the same boat with you ;)

The only thing I start thinking, would it be easier to buy good, reliable external power bank with pass-trough voltage option where it can recharge battery while driving and at the same time providing power to your 4 dashcams ?
 
That's actually a great idea. Simple, and it would eliminate any parasitic load on the vehicle battery. The only downside I could see is that it would run the cameras until its completely dead - which depending on the maH of the battery, might be many hours. The flip side to not recording enough once you leave the vehicle, is recording too much. I wouldn't want it running all day/night while sitting in my garage, or at work. That would wipe out a 64GB microSD card in 5 hours - and given their finite life cycle, I'd be concerned about wearing out the cards to quickly.
 
The other problem with a powerbank is that when you use the car to go to the supermarket, it starts off empty, charges for the 2 minute trip, powers the cameras for 1 minute and then someone reverses into your car after 10 minutes, long after it has run out of power. The timed relay completely solves that problem, very nice :)
 
here is a cheaper one if you must, from when I toyed with the idea ...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400804905276

knowing the chances of crippling your battery are slim in daily use I dropped the idea and went for a simple switch and a relay to auto power them when leave the car if the switch is set to.
 
Erkme73, this sounds really cool. Do you have any photos of your installation? Which project box did you end up purchasing and how did the circuit board lineup with the holes?
 
here is a cheaper one if you must, from when I toyed with the idea ...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400804905276

knowing the chances of crippling your battery are slim in daily use I dropped the idea and went for a simple switch and a relay to auto power them when leave the car if the switch is set to.

That's essentially a newer version of the relay - with an IR remote, no less. Pretty cool.

RM, the box I used from Radio Shack was not a perfect fit. The holes didn't line up, and I had to trim some of the posts inside the box. I wouldn't recommend it as a finished product - but given that it's something I set one time, and it ends up under the dashboard, my concern was insulating the PCB from the rest of the car. In fact, because the screw holes for the lid didn't line up, I just used some zip ties to hold it shut. Not pretty, but very functional. I also drilled holes for the wires - ground, constant 12V, ACC 12V, and the 12V output.
 
Hmmm. With all the project boxes amazon.com sells I wonder which one will fit. Perhaps I'll get the timer first, measure the holes, then go project box shopping. :)
 
BTW, the ONLY problem I see with this setup is if you try to drive into a highly secured area like like a military facility.

But, I'm sure it'll make for an interesting and memorable day. :)
 
Sounds like a good plan. While I've got one in all of my vehicles, I'd still like to know what you find - so if you go that route, make sure you come back and post your findings!

Yes, I've made a comment to my wife about the counting down timer. It would make Jack Bauer flex his sphincter it looks so real.
 
Browsing through aliexpress I found the timer for ~$6 - I also came across a version without the LCD (much smaller), configurable through jumpers and a potentiometer -
The question is whether you want to wait a month for the hardware to be shipped from China :)
 
Glad to see the interest level... Just keep in mind - whatever you choose shouldn't have much (if any) load on the vehicle battery when it's on idle. Any relay you use will inherently have to have access to constant 12V. So it's critical that when it's not running, it not have an excess amount of draw. Even a few hundred milliamps will run a starting battery down in a few days. I don't know what the current draw is on the one I'm using (it was in the manual) - but it does have the options to turn off all LEDS and the countdown display to save power (and to keep from freaking out mall cops).
 
Okay, I just checked with a buyer on amazon and here are the dimensions of the timer erkme73 posted:

Module Size:
Dimensions : 66mm x 40mm x 20mm (L x W x H)
Screw Size: 4 x 3 mm
Screw holes center distance: 59mm x 33mm
 

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My comments:
1) Any additional electronic devices that are not designed to be used in automotive applications are a risk. Especially, if they are purchased from an unreliable source (ebay, aliexpress).
2) Any power bank mounted permanently in the car would lose most of it's capacity due to the high amplitude of temperatures inside. Not mentioning the risk of the battery catching fire.
3) You can find dedicated solutions for this purpose - https://www.amazon.com/gp/B008B8ERIO

This looks like a nice solution, but the minimum timer setting appears to be 6 hours. Plus, the reliability is questionable based on buyer feedback.
 
erkme73, was that the only timer you were able to find that'll work with our 0806's? The OCD side of me wants something that's self contained and already comes in a neat little box. I know amazon has several options, but I'm not sure if any of those pre-made devices will do what we need it to.
 
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