Gopro recalling all karma quadcopters

[kamkar]

https://gopro.com/2016karmareturn

 

[Nigel]

Sounds a bit serious!

No replacement, or even being put back on the waiting list, just your money back so that you can go and buy a DJI Mavic:
http://www.wetalkuav.com/gopro-karma-vs-dji-mavic-drone/

GoPro Karma vs DJI Mavic- Which drone wins??
It’s hard to imagine that these 2 drones are being sold at almost the same price.

If you are looking for the most technically advanced drone on the market today that will fit in any bag, then you have to go with the DJI Mavic.

If you are not much into drones and you’re just looking for something simple to fly, then you’ll have a lot of great choices, like GoPro Karma, Yuneec Breeze, a bamboo-copter, or even a kite.

It’s all up to you!

 

[kamkar]

Yeah Mavic look cool

The little camera just freaked me out, its so small and most of it is gimbal.

 

[viofo]

The DJI MAVIC is hot selling like iPhone 7, if you order it now, need wait about 1 month to get it.

 

[Nigel]

Yeah Mavic look cool

The little camera just freaked me out, its so small and most of it is gimbal.

It may be a little camera, but it can take a big picture, and unlike the GoPro without any fisheye!

And don't forget the 4 even smaller cameras (2 stereo pairs) for the obstacle avoidance and visual positioning which the GoPro doesn't have.

And if you don't have time to concentrate on the flying, unlike the GoPro it can fly itself with it's visual tracking system, and do a better job of keeping the target centred than most pilots! :

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=4XBKcT7Rhbs

 

[jokiin]

the Karma does better video but the Mavic isn't far behind and smacks the GoPro about on just about everything else, if looking for something like this it would be hard to go past the Mavic

 

[Mtz]

Maybe DJi just wanted to tell GoPro to stay out from this business offering a shocking price at least compared to Phantom 4. The Mavic is like created by aliens compared to other quadcopter. Now I can say the quadcopters are two types: Mavic and others.

And if you don't have time to concentrate on the flying, unlike the GoPro it can fly itself with it's visual tracking system, and do a better job of keeping the target centred than most pilots! :
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=4XBKcT7Rhbs

Maybe GitUp Git2 could do a better job because it have White Balance Lock and Exposure Lock. The DJi image is flickering and this think it keep it out from a professional camera. Maybe they will improve this thing in the future.

The DJI MAVIC is hot selling like iPhone 7, if you order it now, need wait about 1 month to get it.

I never wanted an iPhone, but I dream to have a Mavic. Right now I have other priorities, I can fly a X380 and use my GitUp cameras on it.

enjoy,
Mtz

 

[jokiin]

I never wanted an iPhone, but I dream to have a Mavic.

have to say drones have never been of any interest to me but the Mavic is the first one I'd actually consider to be interesting enough to actually want, when the product launch happened it took the limelight from the Karma instantly

 

[Nigel]

Maybe GitUp Git2 could do a better job because it have White Balance Lock and Exposure Lock. The DJi image is flickering and this think it keep it out from a professional camera. Maybe they will improve this thing in the future.

I think the flickering is because the camera is too close to the propellers so in bright sunlight has fast moving shadows moving across the image, a disadvantage of being so compact. Even the Phantom 4 sometimes has that issue and its camera is well away from the propellers.

the Karma does better video but the Mavic isn't far behind and smacks the GoPro about on just about everything else, if looking for something like this it would be hard to go past the Mavic

There is a big difference in FOV between the two, the Mavic allows you to film your cycling at a distance that doesn't put you at much risk of being hit but I think it may suffer a little from camera shake as a result.

 

[jokiin]

There is a big difference in FOV between the two, the Mavic allows you to film your cycling at a distance that doesn't put you at much risk of being hit but I think it may suffer a little from camera shake as a result.

irrespective of the lens the Mavic has the smarts built in to avoid you being hit, it's a far more capable product but that's their background so it makes sense that the drone functionality is going to be more advanced than GoPro, they still have stuff to learn I guess

 

[kamkar]

Karma is nice in that you can take off the camera and use it elsewhere, and you get that "stick" to put the camera on for a Steadicam experience.
But the quadcopter platform then dji take the win no problem, and if they had not done that i would have been really disappointed with them.

I have also seen a few mention some issues with the Mavic camera in the lesser resolutions, but it did sound like something that should be fixable in firmware.
There is also a few Mavic quadcopters that have gone rouge, just like with so many dji and other quadcopters before them, and i am sure its the same with the gopro quadcopter.

Do note i do not use the word drone, i think thats a negative word forced upon hobby quadcopter enthusiasts.
If a quadcopter is drone, then so is Tesla cars in self drive mode, and i am sure i could come up with other things.
For me a drone i something the milliary use.

 

[Mtz]

Drone is more easy to write.
GoPro should not stop producing the Karma because they have their fanboys. Even just $300 profit/Karma is a good business.

enjoy,
Mtz

 

[kamkar]

No doubt, i am sure gopro will make a profit on those, and they are not bad quadcopters at all, i would take one if Santa is listening in here

 

[Nigel]

Do note i do not use the word drone, i think thats a negative word forced upon hobby quadcopter enthusiasts.
If a quadcopter is drone, then so is Tesla cars in self drive mode, and i am sure i could come up with other things.
For me a drone i something the milliary use.

I don't think a Tesla car is a drone since drones are supposed to be unmanned and remotely controlled, although they can also carry out a pre-planned mission autonomously like the drones in a bee hive do. The Tesla cars only have a driver assistance system, which I think is currently disabled due to safety concerns.

A quadcopter could have a pilot on board, they don't have to be unmanned, although it is unlikely that many people will ever fly in one since the failure of a motor is probably not survivable - it puts the aircraft into a spin that will make you unconscious followed by a hard landing which the aircraft may survive but a human probably wouldn't.

Drones don't have to be quadcopters, many are fixed wing aircraft, some are ships, some are submarines.

The name dates from 1935:

But one small part of the history did last: After (US) Navy admirals visited London in 1935 and saw a demonstration of an especially impressive radio-controlled aircraft called the Queen Bee, they started a research program to create their own machines. As a tip of the hat, they called them drones.

https://www.wired.com/2015/12/the-secret-history-of-world-war-ii-era-drones/

Geoffrey de Havilland was a passionate amateur entomologist, and liked to name all of his early aircraft after flying insects (Tiger Moth, Fox Moth, Mosquito, and Dragonfly), so likely chose its Queen Bee name for the connection to the Fairey Queen and to the fact that it was the “B” model of the DH-82.

http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageN...w/articleId/484/The-Mother-of-All-Drones.aspx

 

[Nigel]

Now DJI have put a 4K 60fps camera on the Phantom 4 with a 1" sensor and H265 - that is what the GoPro Hero 5 should have been!

http://www.dji.com/phantom-4-pro

It is made up of a complex network of ten component groups including seven cameras — forward, rearward and downward dual vision sensors and the primary camera — an infrared sensing system, dual-band satellite positioning (GPS and GLONASS), two downward facing ultrasonic rangefinders, redundant IMUs and compasses, and a group of powerful, specialized computing cores.

 

[kamkar]

Uffff 4K / 60 sound like a interesting camera solution, still not too happy with the design of the regular dji quadcopter cuz its almost like why have a nice camera gimbal when the landing gear of the quadcopter is in the way.

Wish dji would sell the cameras in another FF as action cameras.

 

[jokiin]

Now DJI have put a 4K 60fps camera on the Phantom 4 with a 1" sensor and H265 - that is what the GoPro Hero 5 should have been!

http://www.dji.com/phantom-4-pro

that's another uppercut to the Karma, nice update too with the 1" sensor

 

[kamkar]

Freak me out its mechanical shutter and not global shutter on the sensor, i assume it cant do super fast 1080 resolutions.

C4K：4096×2160 24/25/30/48/50/60p @100Mbps

I assume that 633X lexar sd card will not cut it

1’’ CMOS; Effective pixels: 20M

Lens FOV (Field of View) 84°, 8.8 mm / 24 mm (35 mm format equivalent),
f/2.8 - f/11.
auto focus at 1 m - ∞
ISO Range Video: 100 - 3200 (Auto); 100 - 6400 (Manual)
Photo: 100 - 3200 (Auto); 100- 12800 (Manual)
Mechanical Shutter 8 - 1/2000 s
Electronic Shutter 8 - 1/8000 s
Max Image Size 3:2 Aspect Ratio: 5472 × 3648
4:3 Aspect Ratio: 4864 × 3648
16:9 Aspect Ratio: 5472 × 3078
PIV Image Size 16:9 Aspect Ratio:
・5248 × 2952（3840 × 2160 24/25/30p，2720 × 1530

24/25/30p，
1920 × 1080 24/25/30p, 1280 × 720 24/25/30p）
・3840 × 2160（3840 × 2160 48/50p，2720 × 1530 48/50p，
1920 × 1080 48/50/60p，1280 × 720 48/50/60p）

17:9 Aspect Ratio:
・4896 × 2592 (4096 × 2160 24/25/30p)
・4096 × 2160 (4096 × 2160 48/50p)
Still Photography Modes Single Shot
Burst Shooting: 3/5/7/10/14 frames
Auto Exposure Bracketing (AEB): 3/5 bracketed
frames at 0.7EV Bias
Interval: 2/3/5/7/10/15/30/60 s
Video Recording Modes H.265
・C4K：4096×2160 24/25/30p @100Mbps
・4K：3840×2160 24/25/30p @100Mbps
・2.7K：2720×1530 24/25/30p @65Mbps

2720×1530 48/50/60p @80Mbps
・FHD：1920×1080 24/25/30p @50Mbps

1920×1080 48/50/60p @65Mbps

1280×720 48/50/60p @35Mbps


H.264
・C4K：4096×2160 24/25/30/48/50/60p @100Mbps
・4K：3840×2160 24/25/30/48/50/60p @100Mbps
・2.7K：2720×1530 24/25/30p @80Mbps

2720×1530 48/50/60p @100Mbps
・FHD：1920×1080 24/25/30p @60Mbps

1920×1080 48/50/60/120p @80Mbps
・HD： 1280×720 24/25/30p @30Mbps

1280×720 48/50/60/120p @45Mbps
Video Storage Bitrate 100 Mbps
Supported File Systems FAT32 (≤ 32 GB); exFAT (> 32 GB)
Photo JPEG, DNG (RAW), JPEG + RAW
Video MP4/MOV (AVC/H.264；HEVC/H.265)
Supported SD Cards Micro SD, Max Capacity: 128GB.
Write speed ≥15MB/s, class 10 or UHS-1 rating required
Operating Temperature 32° to 104° F (0° to 40° C)

 

[Nigel]

Uffff 4K / 60 sound like a interesting camera solution, still not too happy with the design of the regular dji quadcopter cuz its almost like why have a nice camera gimbal when the landing gear of the quadcopter is in the way.

Wish dji would sell the cameras in another FF as action cameras.

The landing gear never is in the way unless you go into a sharp turn at 70Km/h or there is a very strong wind. When you rotate the camera, the whole aircraft rotates so the landing gear stays out of the way, the gimbal only tilts to look down|forward and rolls enough to keep the horizon level when flying sideways.

Maybe they will do a new Osmo with the 1" sensor, not exactly an action camera but it was their first attempt, the 2nd attempt may be more interesting...

 

[Nigel]

Freak me out its mechanical shutter and not global shutter on the sensor, i assume it cant do super fast 1080 resolutions.

C4K：4096×2160 24/25/30/48/50/60p @100Mbps

I assume that 633X lexar sd card will not cut it

I think it's just aperture that is mechanical, there so you don't need ND filters anymore for your 24fps video. A mechanical shutter would never work at 60fps.