Magnetic mount

Because they will only have metric sizes.
Not many car dealerships deal in USA cars here!

That's a real shame, and a sad commentary on the state of affairs in the UK, assuming that is actually true. I find it hard to believe you can't locally source UNF and UNC bolts in the UK. Certainly, you have enough imported machines and cars there to warrant the availability of a such components.

Here in the US, any good quality local hardware store and many other outlets carry a full line of both SAE and metric screws, bolts, nuts, fasteners, washers and anything else one may want or need for any sort of repair or project. Some places have an astonishing selection. My favorite local hardware store is over 100 years old so their displays are all the original vintage oak drawers, bins, shelves and boxes and there are two solid walls of anything one can think of metric or otherwise. The staff is especially knowledgeable. Show up with some oddball part or request and they'll show you right where to find it.

Other stores are much more modern but also offer a huge selection.

 
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That's a real shame, and a sad commentary on the state of affairs in the UK, assuming that is actually true. I find it hard to believe you can't locally source UNF and UNC bolts in the UK. Certainly, you have enough imported machines and cars there to warrant the availability of a such components.
UNF and UNC are only used in USA and Canada, not sure why you think we would have them here?

We import machines and cars from all over the world, but not many from USA and everyone else uses metric. We still have some GM cars, but they are European models, made in Europe by European companies GM once bought up. There are a few Jeeps, but otherwise it is just the odd classic for USA built cars. There is of course a market for non-metric for classic cars, but they mainly use British sizes, not USA sizes.

The tripod mount was a British standard originally, the USA version has a slightly different shape thread but is compatible, so there is a possibility that a classic car specialist will have something suitable.

All the sizes, metric, British, USA are easily available online in the UK, but a hardware store, even a car based one will only have metric, plus a few other sizes that for one reason or another are still common. Garden taps for example are still measured in inches, but only the garden ones.
 
After "going into the rabbit hole" widely and deeply, it seems there is no near-equivalent for the 1/4-20 tripod thread.

In this diameter many fine-threaded types are close to each other, but not coarse like the tripod thread. As to Mobius mounting, one could possibly rethread the insert if necessary but the common thread sizes will be so large as to exceed the insert size or leave it weak, and obscure or arcane sizes which would work will leave you with the same issue of having a hard-to-find thread. It could likely be rethreaded to M6 but would not have enough metal for complete thread fit, so might strip out if tightened well.

Like so many other things now, sourcing the needed hardware online is probably your best bet, but camera shops would probably have something usable. Also some of the stores that sell cheap general merchandise may have mini-tripods for cheap, where the screw can be withdrawn and the cheap tripod junked. Or just order a mount.

Phil
 
UNF and UNC are only used in USA and Canada, not sure why you think we would have them here?

We import machines and cars from all over the world, but not many from USA and everyone else uses metric. We still have some GM cars, but they are European models, made in Europe by European companies GM once bought up. There are a few Jeeps, but otherwise it is just the odd classic for USA built cars. There is of course a market for non-metric for classic cars, but they mainly use British sizes, not USA sizes.

The tripod mount was a British standard originally, the USA version has a slightly different shape thread but is compatible, so there is a possibility that a classic car specialist will have something suitable.

All the sizes, metric, British, USA are easily available online in the UK, but a hardware store, even a car based one will only have metric, plus a few other sizes that for one reason or another are still common. Garden taps for example are still measured in inches, but only the garden ones.


Billion of dollars worth of industrial, farm and power equipment is exported from the US and Canada to the UK each year and these machines certainly require parts and servicing.

As it happens, American cars are fairly popular in the UK, especially trucks. The Ford F-series is one of the most popular but also cars and SUVs such as the Ford Mustang, Cadillac Escalade, Chevrolet, Dodge, GMC, etc. Classic American cars are also in demand in the UK. While these vehicles may only represent a small percentage of the vehicles on the road they do indeed need parts and serving too. This was the reason I used the term "appropriate dealership" when I suggested them as a source of UNC and UNF bolts & nuts. Obviously, anyone owning any of these brands will require parts sooner or later and the law of supply and demand suggests that there are places they or their garage mechanics go to purchase them.

It's true that various vintage British vehicles and some vintage farm equipment use compatible bolts, nuts and washers and there are many suppliers of such parts. And despite your claim these are indeed offered as UNF parts using American fractional sizes. You don't see too much in the availability of BSW, BA or BSF these days but they too are available.

Practically every UK supplier of bolts, screws, washers and fasteners offers a selection of UNF and UNC parts.

Originally, I recommended Amazon.UK as a source for UNC and UNF bolts, nuts, washers etc. and this would certainly be a convenient place to look for such things for a small project like this, so, once again, your pettiness in initiating another one of your petty spats over a subject like this is beyond bizarre.

As for tripod mounts and rigging the 1/4-20 thread is the de facto world wide standard these days and for this reason you'll find numerous products and parts made to accommodate them or modify them especially in the film, television and photography industries. I know from personal professional experience that these industries require a source for the basic bolts and nuts of their trade as this threading is used for wide range of mounting purposes. When you suddenly find yourself needing a part or a piece of hardware on a photo shoot or a cinema project you don't stop production to order online, you send your production assistant out to source the part at one of the many suppliers that service the industry but more often than not it's the local quality hardware store in whatever city or town one happens to be in at the moment. If a metric bolt or UNF/UNC bolt or nut should be required, or any other standard hardware item it would be immediately available.

So, indeed I still find it hard to believe that there is no local availability of such parts in the UK in outlets such as hardware stores or machine shops, but as I said before, if true it would be a real shame, and a sad commentary on the current state of affairs in the UK.

Here in the US one can generally source whatever one wants or needs. I find that to be the case even though I reside in a rural area. It wasn't always the case but the global supply chain has come a long way in recent years. Of course, if you go to a large urban city such as New York, Chicago or Los Angeles for instance, you'd be able to find literally any part, material, food ingredient or other esoteric item from all over the entire planet. Perhaps the provincial UK sentiment you espouse here, as you do so often is in line with the whole Brexit philosophy of isolationism you champion?
 
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As it happens, American cars are fairly popular in the UK, especially trucks. The Ford F-series is one of the most popular but also cars and SUVs such as the Ford Mustang, Cadillac Escalade, Chevrolet, Dodge, GMC, etc.
Chevrolet: I have a choice of one dealer and one parts supplier for the whole of the UK, about 1.6K Corvettes and 0.6K Camaros on the road:

Cadillac, again 1 dealer and about 300 cars of all ages on the road.

Dodge, a few people sell them, nearly 10K vehicles.

GMC don't see those, except the Chevrolets.

None of these are things I see every day, a lot of them will only come out on summer weekends.

We do have Fords, but most are European Fords, which are metric. There appear to be less than 200 Ford F-series on our roads. We do have the Ford Ranger in significant numbers, but that was designed in Australia and is mainly metric except for a few things like spark plugs, also about 10 thousand Ford Mustangs, but again they are also mainly metric.
 
Billion of dollars worth of industrial, farm and power equipment is exported from the US and Canada to the UK each year and these machines certainly require parts and servicing.
"John Deere has been metric since the mid '80s "
"anything that was built overseas (Japan for compact utility tractors, or Germany for utility tractors) would have been metric since the mid-1970's "
 
This is even cheaper at less than £5 - https://cvp.com/product/aladdin_ams-02mag
Aladdin (AMS-02MAG) Magnetic Stud with 1/4" Tripod Screw fitting.
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Chevrolet: I have a choice of one dealer and one parts supplier for the whole of the UK, about 1.6K Corvettes and 0.6K Camaros on the road:

Cadillac, again 1 dealer and about 300 cars of all ages on the road.

Dodge, a few people sell them, nearly 10K vehicles.

GMC don't see those, except the Chevrolets.

None of these are things I see every day, a lot of them will only come out on summer weekends.

We do have Fords, but most are European Fords, which are metric. There appear to be less than 200 Ford F-series on our roads. We do have the Ford Ranger in significant numbers, but that was designed in Australia and is mainly metric except for a few things like spark plugs, also about 10 thousand Ford Mustangs, but again they are also mainly metric.

"John Deere has been metric since the mid '80s "
"anything that was built overseas (Japan for compact utility tractors, or Germany for utility tractors) would have been metric since the mid-1970's "

These are meaningless, irrelevant factoids. There are literally dozens of farm equipment, heavy equipment, construction, refrigeration and power equipment manufacturers exporting goods to the UK, some of which use metric and some of which use SAE. And whether you personally happen to see any American vehicles within your own limited personal sphere is really kind of meaningless but indeed I've certainly seen them appear in dash cam videos posted to this forum by other UK members.
In any event, as you point out there are thousands (not millions) of American cars in the UK and these vehicles do indeed require repair or modification parts like bolts and screws. There are also many American motorcycles like Harley Davidson on UK roads and these happen to use both SAE and metric bolts depending on the particular component. This is why suppliers and skilled mechanics are usually prepared to deal with both. There is nothing new about this practice, old Triumphs used Metric, SAE, and Whitworth, all on the same bike. Again, this is why non metric bolts and fasteners would be expected to be available from various sources in the UK as a normal matter of course.
 
There are also many American motorcycles like Harley Davidson on UK roads and these happen to use both SAE and metric bolts depending on the particular component.
OMG, over 500 different varieties of HD on our roads, most in double digit numbers, talk about standardisation, the parts department must be a nightmare!

Must use a mix of standards just to prove that they are American, apart from all the imported parts like the battery which is metric!
 
Very tough to source non metric screws, nuts and bolt outside US and few other countries where they have both.
Luckily even lot of automotive stuff moved to metric, my Jeep despite being built in US is either ALL or most (not found any as of yet) metric stuff.
I got some stuff in 1/4"-20 when I was travelling, otherwise bought them online (amazon, aliexpress).
 
Most US stuff has gone metric, but some of the automotive sizes are 'weird'. I've never used a 16mm or 18mm wrench on a import, but they get use on US cars :eek: That is the main advantage of metric; with just 6 metric wrench and socket sizes you could do 75% or the work (and almost all of the maintenance work) on imports, but US cars have always required a full set of whatever kind :whistle:

Phil
 
OMG, over 500 different varieties of HD on our roads, most in double digit numbers, talk about standardisation, the parts department must be a nightmare!

Must use a mix of standards just to prove that they are American, apart from all the imported parts like the battery which is metric!

"Just to prove they are American"? Enough with the endless America bashing Nigel!

There is probably no more "American" product than Harley Davidson motorcycles. They have nothing to "prove" in that regard. Harley Davidsons have primarily been manufactured in York, Pennsylvania, - Tomahawk, Wisconsin, Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin and Kansas City, Missouri but they are a global product and have been for nearly 100 years going all the way back to 1929 when they were manufactured in Japan for use by their military and police. Parts are sourced from all over the world with the shocks, forks, wheels and various other parts made in Japan, Taiwan, other foreign countries. Engines have primarily been built in different US states with the factory location depending on the engine model. Its V-Twin engines are made in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Electonics are made in China and Mexico. Harley Davidson also has plants in India, Brazil and Thailand.

As a result of globalization you'll see both SAE and metric on the machines. Most of the SAE bolts are on the engines. FYI, Harleys also use Torx fasteners which are neither Metric or SAE. Harley Davidson motorcycles are not the only machines being manufactured that use a variety of fastener types in one product. Eventually, we'll see a transition to all metric but when you have tooling for such things as historically important and revered engines, SAE will endure.

It is always amusing Nigel to see how every time you lose an argument you blindly ignore what you've just been told in a post and immediately change the subject. Here you went from repeatedly insisting that there are few American vehicles on UK roads and SAE - UNC/UNF bolts and nuts are not locally available in the UK, to "OMG, over 500 different varieties of HD on our roads" and "the parts department must be a nightmare!" Fact is, we're only talking about a very small number of required SAE bolt sizes and any competent mechanic has a full complement of tools at their disposal.
 
FYI, Harleys also use Torx fasteners which are neither Metric or SAE.
I thought Torx, or more accurately hexalobular internal headed bolts were all either metric thread or SAE thread, what sort of thread have HD put on them?

As a result of globalization you'll see both SAE and metric on the machines.
As a result of global standards, Triumph bikes are all metric :)

Unless HD are still using engines etc. from before the metric standard was agreed by ISO (including USA) in 1960 then there is no good reason for them still using pre-metric threads!
 
I thought Torx, or more accurately hexalobular internal headed bolts were all either metric thread or SAE thread, what sort of thread have HD put on them?

As a result of global standards, Triumph bikes are all metric :)

Unless HD are still using engines etc. from before the metric standard was agreed by ISO (including USA) in 1960 then there is no good reason for them still using pre-metric threads!

Still playing games I see. You read what I said, - "There is nothing new about this practice, old Triumphs used Metric, SAE, and Whitworth, all on the same bike." Triumph no longer exists as the same company.

As for Torx, the reference is to tip sizes which are available in either SAE or Metric. An important benefit of the Torx drive fasteners is that the same size Torx driver is used on both inch and metric fasteners. They are "neither" metric or SAE because Torx drivers are numbered. You don't need two sets of tools.

As for Harley Davidson there are literally millions of them on the road that use SAE and these require servicing. Even newly manufactured Harleys still have some SAE bolts on the engines. Depends on the model/engine.

Once again, dodging the meat of the subject, eh Nigel?
 
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I've seen that on "wish" & aliexpress there selling x4 Neodymium Magnet Disc With Rubber Coated D43*6mm 1/4inch Thread Multi Use Magnetic Mounting Base for around £15 are these sites trustworthy!? Probably from the us or China so may take a few weeks for delivery lol
 
aliexpress should be OK, I've used them a few times. Wish should be safe but I've seen reports of substandard and switched products as well as fake SD cards from there.

Phil
 
Depends on the vendor but AliExpress is generally reliable and trustworthy. Yes, it can take a few weeks for delivery from China. Personally, I don't know anything about Wish.
 
This is the mount that I brought from the joovuu website, probably about 3 years ago for around £5-8. It had suprised how long it has lasted tbh as not much wear has happened to the mount. Just noticed the other day that the threaded part is showing signs of corrosion due to being mounted externally. The mount shown on wish/aliexpress is exactly the same dimensions etc so that would be ideal for me plus I'd have spare mounts for future use. I've noticed that the joovuu website has been down for sometime now which is a shame, the other websites which I use to purchase mobius cases & the super capacitors from don't sell these type of mounts which is a shame
 

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