New BlackVue DR900X Plus Series 4K Dashcam Available Now

I would like to see the 750x+ in this comparison with 60FPS.
It only has a quarter of the pixels, so although its image quality may be better, it is only going to read plates at half the distance!
 
Yeah I was moving pretty slowly there. The light had just turned green as I was pulling up to the cars ahead of me and so traffic had just started moving again. According to the dashcam GPS, I was doing 9 mph.
Most cameras still blur tree leaves when recording 4K at 25 Mbps even if you are stopped and logically don't need much bitrate, so they must be using a better codec, probably why H265 has disappeared. At faster speeds it doesn't matter how good the codec is, if there are not enough bits to record all the information.
 
Most cameras still blur tree leaves when recording 4K at 25 Mbps even if you are stopped and logically don't need much bitrate, so they must be using a better codec, probably why H265 has disappeared. At faster speeds it doesn't matter how good the codec is, if there are not enough bits to record all the information.
Yeah I was initially disappointed that they dropped h.265 from the DR900X Plus because I liked the idea of more detail with a comparable file size. However, it does look like they're doing just fine with h.264 on the DR900X Plus. The dashcams share the same bitrate and file sizes are almost the same (DR900X 197MB/min front and 84MB/min rear, DR900X Plus 193-196MB/min front and 85 MB/min rear), but quality is a definitely step up with the new cam.

On that note, they've also removed the options to adjust brightness levels, there's no longer a night vision option, etc. The way Blackvue explained it to me, instead of having to optimize their dashcam to work with different brightness levels, with HDR on or off, night vision on or off, etc., they simplified things and let the engineers focus on just one set of settings and optimize just for that.

As much as I love doing things like manual exposure compensation adjustments on my DSLR's and mirrorless cams, I doubt many people were putzing with those options on their dashcams. IMHO automatic exposure is best for dashcams. Ideally just get it right automatically so we don't have to fix it by tweaking settings. :D It does look like whatever they're doing with the X Plus, it is a step in the right direction quality-wise.

Anyways, time to look at some nighttime testing. I'm really curious if that looks better too, especially given that they didn't step up to a Sony Starvis sensor for the front cam. That's for the rear cam only.
 
Yeah I was initially disappointed that they dropped h.265 from the DR900X Plus because I liked the idea of more detail with a comparable file size.
Most of the extra compression optimisations provided by H265 are really not useful for dashcam video, basically they throw away more information, and while that information may be stuff we don't notice while watching movies, when we pause the video and inspect plate details we do want it all. I've never seen H265 do dashcam video better than H264 at the same bitrate. Sometimes it can reduce bitrate without appearing to lose anything, but if you also reduce the bitrate of the same H264 by the same amount then you find that didn't actually need all the bitrate either for that particular piece of footage. When you drive fast under trees then insufficient bitrate becomes obvious and H265 tends to perform the same as H264 if the same bitrates are used.

Codecs from different manufacturers do perform differently, there has always been a very noticable difference between dashcams using Novatek processors and those using Ambarella processors, quite possible Blackvue have found a better one.
 
k, I'm looking at some nighttime sample footage and I'm pretty impressed with the improvements here too.

Shadow detail is definitely better with the Plus. You can see more of the road to my left plus the parking lot off to the right. Neither dashcam could capture any plates of cars that drive past me. The only time I can get them is when I'm basically matching their speed, but that's super typical.

Night driving down city road, DR900X Plus, DR900X.jpg

I had a car run a red light in front of me and turn while my light was green. Neither dashcam could capture the plate of this car either. With the Plus it's much easier to watch the car as it runs the light and drives in front of me.

Car runs red light and turns in front of me, DR900X Plus and DR900X.jpg

I also noticed it's easier to see the corner of the sidewalk to the left. If there was something happening there, something with pedestrians, it'd be easier to see that with the Plus.

The only advantage of the original is that there seems to be less flaring around point light sources, but I think that's due to my windshield not being clean. I did notice some smudges after doing this drive and Windex'ed it off after shooting these clips. I'll go back out later and get some more night time footage to confirm.

Here's the videos from those two still frames so you can better see the differences.


The more I look at the Plus, the more I like it...
 
I've been running a DR900X Plus for the past week or so and so far I'm really liking it as an upgrade to the DR900X.

As far as video quality is concerned, I am noticing an improvement with the Plus. For testing I've been driving around with the DR900X, DR900X Plus, and U1000.

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Today I'm spending the day going back through sample footage to see the video quality differences. I've only looked through one test so far, but it does look like the DR900X Plus is bringing video quality closer to the U1000 which is what I was hoping for.

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I've got a bunch more videos to go through, driving day and night.

In a couple weeks I'm gonna be heading to a local installer to do a bunch of upgrades to my car including running new power cables for the DR900S/DR750S now so I can upgrade to the X series. I was also wanting to run cables to install a U1000 next to the DR900X up front because I really really want better video quality than what the DR900X offers. If the DR900X Plus does indeed close the gap with the U1000 and it looks like it very well may, I won't bother running permanent cables for the Thinkware and I can keep my WS clear with more room to keep testing different dashcams.

The bluetooth pairing stuff with the 900X Plus is nice, making it easier to initially pair the dashcam with your phone without having to punch in your default wifi pw. Once you do create the initial pairing though one way or another, it's not a big difference.

I'm really liking the DR900X Plus / CM100LTE allowing for up to 5 devices connected instead of just one. I'm testing with the DR900X Plus serving as a hotspot for another dashcam, two phones, and a RD, and it works fine without issue. I do have to switch the DR900X Plus to 2.4 GHz because Escort's radar detectors only support 2.4 GHz for some dumb reason, haha. Either way, the connection is much more stable than the flaky OBD II hotspot I have hooked up to some battery packs that have been providing parking mode data for my dashcams. I don't like that the CM100LTE is one more thing to unplug every time I wanna pull the memory card out from my DR900X Plus, but I am seriously considering switching over the CM100LTE for in-car WiFi moving forward now that it supports multiple devices.

Anyways, just some initial thoughts. Back to looking through more sample footage.

Thanks for the info. I have watched several of your videos. I would love to see a comparison of the DR750X Plus vs. DR900X Plus. Would love to see the trade off of details vs. low light performance. I just installed a DR750X plus in one car and am getting ready to order a cam for the other car. Trying to decide between another DR750X plus or send that one back and get 2 of the DR900X Plus. Thoughts?
 
Thanks for the info. I have watched several of your videos. I would love to see a comparison of the DR750X Plus vs. DR900X Plus. Would love to see the trade off of details vs. low light performance. I just installed a DR750X plus in one car and am getting ready to order a cam for the other car. Trying to decide between another DR750X plus or send that one back and get 2 of the DR900X Plus. Thoughts?
Me too.
 
It only has a quarter of the pixels, so although its image quality may be better, it is only going to read plates at half the distance!
But in theory the DR750X Plus should have better low light performance. I am very eager to see a DR750X Plus vs. DR900X Plus to see if the low light performance improvement is worth the trade off in details or the other way around?

I have numerous security cameras around my property and was faced with same decisions, go with 4K cams that were better able to resolve details at the expense of weaker low light performance,wince or ultra low light performance in a lower resolution camera. In my research for those cams I leaned that Sony throws the Starvis name on too many sensors to mean anything anymore. You really need to look at the sensor specs to determine it try low light performance.

The real nomenclature to look for is the Sony Starlight line, and even that name is being misused. Ultimately the minimum illumination spec (in lux) is what shows how good a sensor is in low light.

This is security camera related by one of the big names in cams to give you an idea how misused a brand badge (Starvis and Starlight) are.

 
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But in theory the DR750X Plus should have better low light performance. I am very eager to see a DR750X Plus vs. DR900X Plus to see if the low light performance improvement is worth the trade off in details or the other way around?

I have numerous security cameras around my property and was faced with same decisions, go with 4K cams that were better able to resolve details at the expense of weaker low light performance,wince or ultra low light performance in a lower resolution camera. In my research for those cams I leaned that Sony throws the Starvis name on too many sensors to mean anything anymore. You really need to look at the sensor specs to determine it try low light performance.

The real nomenclature to look for is the Sony Starlight line, and even that name is being misused. Ultimately the minimum illumination spec (in lux) is what shows how good a sensor is in low light.

This is security camera related by one of the big names in cams to give you an idea how misused a brand badge (Starvis and Starlight) are.

That's a good point.

Besides sensor sensitivity, I also wonder about things like varying lens apertures, the built-in software processing, the impact of night vision / HDR / WDR options, optimal settings for tweaking brightness levels, etc. I feel like there's a lot of variables and sometimes it's easier to just go drive with them and see what you find.
 
On that note, they've also removed the options to adjust brightness levels

While I applaud the much better video clarity and brightness, losing the ability to adjust exposure levels means that it's not going to work for a lot of people. While some principles may be similar, this isn't a DSLR where you're shooting through air, this is a dashcam which may be shooting through clear glass, tinted glass varying fro 95% to 20% light transmission, and polarizing tints too. One setting can't work for CPL and non-CPL use both, especially remembering that with polarized tint you cannot use a CPL or you'll get birefringence. It's well known that you usually have to increrase exposure after fitting a CPL.

In short there is no way to set up a dashcam exposure level where one setting works for all; the baseline must be adjusted to the installation or you're going to lose whatever vid improvements you thought you had gained and more :eek:

Phil
 
That's a good point.

Besides sensor sensitivity, I also wonder about things like varying lens apertures, the built-in software processing, the impact of night vision / HDR / WDR options, optimal settings for tweaking brightness levels, etc. I feel like there's a lot of variables and sometimes it's easier to just go drive with them and see what you find.

my security cams have WDR amd it works decent, but it is full of compromises. I know during e day my 4K cams look amazing, but at night the IR kicks in as there is not enough natural light and they look worse than the 2MP cam. I just preordered a DR900X Plus from blackboxmycar.com figuring I have a week or 2 before they ship to change my mind.
 
While I applaud the much better video clarity and brightness, losing the ability to adjust exposure levels means that it's not going to work for a lot of people. While some principles may be similar, this isn't a DSLR where you're shooting through air, this is a dashcam which may be shooting through clear glass, tinted glass varying fro 95% to 20% light transmission, and polarizing tints too. One setting can't work for CPL and non-CPL use both, especially remembering that with polarized tint you cannot use a CPL or you'll get birefringence. It's well known that you usually have to increrase exposure after fitting a CPL.

In short there is no way to set up a dashcam exposure level where one setting works for all; the baseline must be adjusted to the installation or you're going to lose whatever vid improvements you thought you had gained and more :eek:

Phil

Yeah I was disappointed to see exposure and night vision removed. I can only hope they are doing some algorithms to auto adjust exposure on the fly as my rear shoots through factory tint/privacy glass and I removed the CPL because I did not light how the cam ha does the contrast and unnatural colors it produced.
 
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What surprised me is that there is no accessories that cup the lens section to the windshield to cut out the interior reflections. Kind of like have the factor car cameras are in a sealed enclosure so no reflections can interfere. That is the main reason I bought a CPL to cut down on reflections.
 
I would like to see a higher quality bitrate like “insane” level of maybe 40-50mbps since 256gb cards would still keep plenty of video.
 
While I applaud the much better video clarity and brightness, losing the ability to adjust exposure levels means that it's not going to work for a lot of people. While some principles may be similar, this isn't a DSLR where you're shooting through air, this is a dashcam which may be shooting through clear glass, tinted glass varying fro 95% to 20% light transmission, and polarizing tints too. One setting can't work for CPL and non-CPL use both, especially remembering that with polarized tint you cannot use a CPL or you'll get birefringence. It's well known that you usually have to increrase exposure after fitting a CPL.

In short there is no way to set up a dashcam exposure level where one setting works for all; the baseline must be adjusted to the installation or you're going to lose whatever vid improvements you thought you had gained and more :eek:

Phil
That hasn’t been my experience with any brand of dashcam with polarizers, tint, or anything else. They just automatically adjust the exposure to compensate for having less light, same as when it’s darker outside.

Which dashcams have you had to do that with?
 
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When will the rear cam be available for purchase for people who initially want the 1ch vers and how much will it cost?
They have the rear on their site. I just bought the rear for the 750x+
 
That hasn’t been my experience with any brand of dashcam with polarizers, tint, or anything else. They just automatically adjust the exposure to compensate for having less light, same as when it’s darker outside.

Which dashcams have you had to do that with?
I've noticed many people speak of it, but my personal experience is limited- I just got my first CPL and noticed the same thing- darker imagess with it versus without. In the last 6 months there have been at least 2 reports here on DCT (including pics) of birefringence and its happened numerous times through the years I've perused these forums- it's not a rare event but not hugely common. The forums here and also many other pl aces where dashcams are discussed are rife with examples of dark window tints lowering vid brightness which was compensated for by increasing exposure levels, returning the vid brightness to at least close to what the person got before tinting. Neither your opinion or mine means much compared to the masses whose total experience far outweighs us. What I've said concurs with almost all of what I've seen and heard from others here and elsewhere so I'm not going to argue the point- I don't need to.

Phil
 
I've noticed many people speak of it, but my personal experience is limited- I just got my first CPL and noticed the same thing- darker imagess with it versus without. In the last 6 months there have been at least 2 reports here on DCT (including pics) of birefringence and its happened numerous times through the years I've perused these forums- it's not a rare event but not hugely common. The forums here and also many other pl aces where dashcams are discussed are rife with examples of dark window tints lowering vid brightness which was compensated for by increasing exposure levels, returning the vid brightness to at least close to what the person got before tinting. Neither your opinion or mine means much compared to the masses whose total experience far outweighs us. What I've said concurs with almost all of what I've seen and heard from others here and elsewhere so I'm not going to argue the point- I don't need to.

Phil
Do you have a link or two handy? I’m not trying to argue. I just haven’t seen it myself, but of course people’s experiences vary and I’d love to learn more, without going too OT here. Perhaps it happens with dashcams that lock front and rear exposure levels and don’t allow them to vary independently in case of a CPL on the front cam or tint in the rear?
 
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