The vehicle that hit me was the second vehicle. The first one went through when it was his turn, then I went, then the Seqouia was supposed to pull up to the stop sign and stop which she didn'tCrop the video down to what you consider normal angle and re-post, then see what people think...
Any video editor can reduce the field of view to exactly as it would be seen by a narrower lens.
I have no idea of the rules in your part of the world, we don't have this type of junction, but it appears to me that she did her stop (not 100% stopped but still a partial attempt at one) and then set off again before you set off, she crossed the stop line and entered the junction before you? I also find it odd that a quick look to your right shortly after you set off and before turning wouldn't have seen that there was an issue, she was always in line of sight, only explanation seems to be that maybe your view was blocked by your excessively thick A-pillar? That is your problem, not hers.
Seems rather like tunnel vision from both parties!
Even if it is not a legal requirement to avoid accidents, it is sensible and saves a lot of inconvenience.
Am I right in thinking that the stop line is the first thick white line than only crosses 1 lane? Because I think she crossed that before you passed the stop sign... but only a little before.The vehicle that hit me was the second vehicle. The first one went through when it was his turn, then I went, then the Seqouia was supposed to pull up to the stop sign and stop which she didn't
I'll crop it in Adobe Premiere later. I measured my field of view through my glasses as beyond that is just a blur since I'm -6 prescription. I got 82 degrees horizontally. I overlaid that onto the direction of my car when she was entering the intersection going over the white line
You have to stop after the person ahead of you, two cars can't cross a 4 way stop at once, it's not like a roundaboutAm I right in thinking that the stop line is the first thick white line than only crosses 1 lane? Because I think she crossed that before you passed the stop sign... but only a little before.
With good vision, people can see movement out to about 180 degrees, so 82 seems quite narrow, maybe she is even worse, that would explain things - you need to turn your head and check, not assume that everyone is doing what you expect them to do!
That is quite likely to be the main problem! She should certainly have seen you with sufficient time to avoid a collision, I still think that you should have seen her, but given your narrow FOV you would have needed to look to your right, which I think you should have done, but for her there was no need to move her head.BTW she doesn't wear glasses...
This would go a long way to explaining why you didn't see them. But knowing of your limitation, you need to try more to compensate for it. Where most folks can hear a car beside them or the tooting of a horn half a block away, often I cannot which is another reason why I look around so diligently. I can still hear adequately enough to drive safely but I can't tell from where sounds come from- I have to look around to figure it out. Would extra diligence on JP's part have helped here? I really don't know but it might have. Regardless he bears no legal fault which I can see.I measured my field of view through my glasses as beyond that is just a blur since I'm -6 prescription. I got 82 degrees horizontally.
Are we sure there was anything in her head to begin with other than cobwebs? She wasn't looking where she was going for certain, and anyone who drives like that cannot possibly be a safe driver.but for her there was no need to move her head.
OK, you couldn't see the other car set off.Rather than crop the dashcam I just took a video from my iPhone starting from a stop at the stop sign. You can see how fast the car at the stop sign at the right transitions to the A pillar and then side window https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/V9Dt2vkxYMlmZ1y2h0VNSJKR91vWbbpHJ9DFV8YRopx
I feel like I've gone through this multiple times.OK, you couldn't see the other car set off.
If other people are criticising you for not seeing the other car set off and thus not avoiding an avoidable accident, it is likely because they would have seen it, because they have twice the field of view that you do.
Personally, I think you should have turned your head at least once to check, and if you didn't have time to do so, that is because you were driving too fast. Just because some other people drive that fast and do so safely doesn't mean that you are capable of driving that fast safely, there is nothing wrong with slowing down and taking more care.
Of course the other driver did have a much better view of the approaching accident and should have seen you and avoided the accident, so either wasn't looking or is suffering from tunnel vision. But if we assume she does suffer from tunnel vision and so didn't see you until too late, who is then most at fault? We probably have to go back to Dashmellow's argument that you are supposed to give way to your right...
If you are not at fault you are luckering out of this. You:My insurance adjuster found that I wasn't at fault and she submitted the dashcam video to the other person's insurance. But they have a lengthy process for security checks on external files so they won't view it until next week
I don't know what the laws are in your country, but here you do not yield to all cars on the right at a 4 way stop. I'm pretty sure that's how it works in the Netherlands too.If you are not at fault you are luckering out of this. You:
1) Failed to reach a full stop at an all-way stop sign.
2) Failed to yield to the right hand cars (you should have let both cars pass it's not called a 4-way stop crossing for no reason). Also, the second car not stopping does not put you in the clear, especially considering point 1.
In most european countries you would be fully at fault, but since you are american you might get lucky.
I must say though that the other car is a terrible driver and they should have stopped to correct your mistake, especially at that slow speed. But you, you need to take a chill pill when driving and not rush a 4-way stop crossing like that.
The left giving way to the vehicle on the right is a law that go's back before turn signals, the car on the left can see hand signals on the car on the right, but the car on the right can't see the left drivers hands, therefore that law was passed in the US, actually I thought it was like that in all countries and conditions, live and learn.Here in the UK, we don't have multi-way stops, instead we invented the roundabout, and we used the same rule - give way to people on the right
Now I'm puzzled, why do you give way to the left on roundabouts but to the right in this case?
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