Battery Pack Drain Rate: a case of the DR970X BOX-2CH PLUS and B130A battery pack

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Could you draw up a diagram for me on how to wire two batteries in tandem?
This would be super handy – any chance of a basic sketch @Vortex Radar if you have the time..?

I understand how to wire batteries in parallel…I’m just a bit confused on the actual physical set up re the outputs of x2 130 batteries and feeding into the dashcam/Box input…?

Any pointers would be really appreciated…

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Interesting. I do gravitate towards the 130A and keeping all in house, so this option may be a consideration…
Presumably, a setup like this would void the BV warranty on the battery if not the camera system itself..? Providing it could be proved to have been connected in such a way, that is..! 😉

One thought – how would dual 130A batterie set up in such a way work re the connection to the BV App, would they both be seen independently..? Or would the App be tricked into seeing a larger capacity 130A…?
What would cause voiding a warranty? Using a different brand of battery and dashcam? It's not a big deal? I run my A329S on a B130A and it works fine. 🙂
 
This would be super handy – any chance of a basic sketch @Vortex Radar if you have the time..?

I understand how to wire batteries in parallel…I’m just a bit confused on the actual physical set up re the outputs of x2 130 batteries and feeding into the dashcam/Box input…?

Any pointers would be really appreciated…

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So I don't think that's officially supported, but Thinkware has a diagram in their iVolt Xtra manual that explains how to wire up to batteries in parallel like this.

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Personally I prefer having two batteries running in parallel rather than a battery plus an expansion since both batteries can charge at full speed. You'll pull 2x the current of course, but for shorter drives, it allows you to recharge your total capacity faster than a single input for both a main battery with an expansion.
 
What would cause voiding a warranty? Using a different brand of battery and dashcam? It's not a big deal? I run my A329S on a B130A and it works fine. 🙂
No, I meant in reference to parallel wiring of the batteries…!
 
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Personally I prefer having two batteries running in parallel rather than a battery plus an expansion since both batteries can charge at full speed. You'll pull 2x the current of course, but for shorter drives, it allows you to recharge your total capacity faster than a single input for both a main battery with an expansion.
This is super helpful, Thankyou!
Actually a bit simpler than I imagined with just the single B+ link between the two….

Interesting that Thinkware actively show a parallel setup…

Conceivably, you could make up some sort of output loom that had a detachable B+ fly-lead between the batteries, saying going into an in-line connector…I’m just thinking of a potential set up where you run a single battery unit the majority of the time, but for those occasions where you want/need the extra capacity you can easily hook up the second battery (presuming the install is all fairly easily accessible)….

^^ I did note the warning in the manual you linked re alternator load with a parallel setup – I don’t know how much an issue this likely is..?

Thanks again 👍
 
Is the Cellink Neo8 the only (quality) battery out there which has the option of Expansion packs..?
Slightly surprising more don’t offer the function…

Having said that, I’ve just been informed by a local dealer that a Neo10 is due and it won’t have expansion connections…also that the distributor won’t be bringing in any more Neo Expansion packs…😕

As @Vortex Radar said, Expansion battery packs are a much neater solution…Easily adaptable too.
 
Not sure why there is no WARNING in the Thinkware manual, but before connecting B+ to B+, make sure both batteries are at the same voltage and state of charge level.
The easiest way is to fully charge both identical batteries at the same time, then connect the B+B+.

This is because it is the output port (the one intended for the dash cam) that is used to connect the two batteries in parallel, and these output ports are not usually rated for high current, probably around 2-3A max.
If the voltage/state of charge is not equalized before parallel connection, a high current will flow from one battery to the other.
This current can significantly exceed the ~2A rating of the output ports and it's circuitry, which in the best case can cause the internal fuse to blow, and in the worst case, damage the battery.

For the same reason of low output current (about 2A), connecting two dedicated batteries in tandem/daisy chaining will not work.

Tandem connection/Daisy chaining to a power station is possible, provided that the power station has a well-regulated 12.8 VDC, 10A output, which most stations do.
 
Interesting info. Thanks.

Would a resister work to help restrict that potential current flow, if placed in the right location on the output wiring…?
@Vortex Radar did suggest the potential use of diodes for a parallel setup, but then that would only restrict one direction and not account for the opposite battery having the higher state of charge…?
 
For the same reason of low output current (about 2A), connecting two dedicated batteries in tandem/daisy chaining will not work.
So for official Expansion unit solutions ie Cellink Neo, which is effectively a daisy chained setup, I presume the current flow restriction isn’t there, due to the dedicated connection port…?
 
However – Interesting warning within the Neo manual re connecting their expansion packs….

Not quite sure how you’re supposed to get the expansion pack to a higher voltage than the main unit when you first install, as I thought you couldn’t/shouldn’t directly charge the expansion packs…!? 🤔

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Interesting info. Thanks.

Would a resister work to help restrict that potential current flow, if placed in the right location on the output wiring…?
@Vortex Radar did suggest the potential use of diodes for a parallel setup, but then that would only restrict one direction and not account for the opposite battery having the higher state of charge…?
Parallel connection is a direct unrestricted connection of positive to positive, negative to negative, without any resistors and/or diodes.

A properly sized resistor based on the maximum expected current will reduce current and help to connect two batteries with different state of charge, but it will also reduce/prevent low current from flowing during normal operation, so no, unless you make the resistor one time use/removable, which is an unnecessary complication in my opinion.
You just parallel fully charged batteries once and forget about it.

Also, to limit the B+ to B+ current during charging, it is highly recommended to use two identical new or equally used batteries with identical charge profile.

(In fact, high-quality batteries use communication ports between two batteries to manage the parallel connection, we don’t have that luxury).
 
So for official Expansion unit solutions ie Cellink Neo, which is effectively a daisy chained setup, I presume the current flow restriction isn’t there, due to the dedicated connection port…?
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Correct on port rating, not sure about daisy chain, install guidance said "enter the capacity of product connected to app" - must be parallel connection.
Is charging cable connected to main battery or to extended battery?
 
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Is the Cellink Neo8 the only (quality) battery out there which has the option of Expansion packs..?
Slightly surprising more don’t offer the function…
The BBMC Powercell 8 also allows for expansion batteries with the Cellink Neo expansions.

I'm also surprised to see that more companies don't offer this too. I believe it's due to the sales being really low which is why companies like Blackvue have dropped the feature in their newest batteries. IIRC Viofo will be allowing expansions with their upcoming battery packs.
 
Not sure why there is no WARNING in the Thinkware manual, but before connecting B+ to B+, make sure both batteries are at the same voltage and state of charge level.
The easiest way is to fully charge both identical batteries at the same time, then connect the B+B+.
It is quite difficult to get a high current when you connect two LiFePO4 batteries, since the voltage difference between nearly empty and nearly full is very small, and if one is fully empty, or fully full, then although the voltage difference is bigger, almost as soon as you connect it, the voltage difference will become small, so the resistance of the output cables, which are not all that thick, is probably enough to make it safe and no warning is necessary. WARNING - This doesn't apply to other battery types!

Fully charging both of them is a good idea though.
 
Slightly surprising more don’t offer the function…
I think the reason is that with the expansion pack attached, most of the batteries take 90+ minutes to charge, and not many people regularly drive for long enough to make them worth having, thus sales of expansion packs are going to be quite low.

^^ I did note the warning in the manual you linked re alternator load with a parallel setup – I don’t know how much an issue this likely is..?
Vehicle alternators are quite capable of providing the load, however they are not designed to provide that much power continuously, so you can get issues with overheating and prematurely worn bushes. It is a serious warning for smaller vehicles, but like batteries, the more you use them, the faster the alternator will wear out, if you use them a lot then don't expect a normal lifespan. A new set of alternator bushes is generally a lot cheaper than a new battery, although these days, cars don't tend to be designed for them to be easily replaced, and a complete new alternator is a significant cost.
 
It is quite difficult to get a high current when you connect two LiFePO4 batteries, since the voltage difference between nearly empty and nearly full is very small, and if one is fully empty, or fully full, then although the voltage difference is bigger, almost as soon as you connect it, the voltage difference will become small, so the resistance of the output cables, which are not all that thick, is probably enough to make it safe and no warning is necessary. WARNING - This doesn't apply to other battery types!

Fully charging both of them is a good idea though.
The maximum voltage range of a 12V LFP battery is 10-14.6V, which corresponds to an initial difference of 4.6V when the two batteries are connected in parallel.
A more realistic practical voltage range could be 11-14V, which corresponds to an initial difference of 3.0V when the two batteries are connected in parallel.

The initial 3.0V pressure difference is more than enough to generate current well above the 2-3A limit for battery's output circuitry.
Of course, that current will start to drop immediately, but it will still have more than enough time to damage the battery before it drops to 2-3A.

You probably think of the SoC range between 20% and 80%, which is within the flat region of the charge/discharge curve, but even there the voltage difference can reach 1.0V, which is still too much and can result in currents exceeding the 2-3A limit.

So the recommendation to equalize battery voltages, including LFPs, before paralleling is the best practice in general, and even more so for low-current-rated output circuitry of dash cam batteries, when paralleled as shown on Thinkware diagram.
 
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Correct on port rating, not sure about daisy chain, install guidance said "enter the capacity of product connected to app" - must be parallel connection.
Is charging cable connected to main battery or to extended battery?
I’ve briefly read the Cellink manual and also seen a few guides here and there – I think when you connect one expansion unit the battery (and App) is capable of auto calculating the new capacity…However, if you then connect further expansion units, it’s not capable of the auto calculation for some reason, hence you have to manually adjust within the App…(note: the auto set up is dependent upon using the specific In/Out port on the expansion battery, labelled Auto)

Yes, the input charging cable remains connected to the main battery. You can see on the pic I posted, the connection of one or more expansion batteries is done between the expansion unit ports….
It ‘feels’ and looks like daisy chaining, but I don’t know, I guess something could be going on internally….
Also, I think I’m right in this, but when they’re connected the batteries charge in parity (and if there’s a mismatch upon initial connection then the main unit will balance things out before additional charging) – I guess this points to parallel..?
 
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The BBMC Powercell 8 also allows for expansion batteries with the Cellink Neo expansions.

I'm also surprised to see that more companies don't offer this too. I believe it's due to the sales being really low which is why companies like Blackvue have dropped the feature in their newest batteries. IIRC Viofo will be allowing expansions with their upcoming battery packs.
Yes, I was aware of the BBMC unit, but I tend to see them as same same as the Cellink…!

I’m sure you, and Nigel, are right re the lower sales and market demand….

As a side note, I was told the other day by a dealer that the Australian distributor for Cellink is planning to bring no further units of the Expansion Battery into the country….Just looked on BBMC website as a possible option, and there’s a warning that they cannot be sold outside of US/CAN due to CE Certifications…I wonder if they’re on their way out..? I also understand an upcoming Neo10 will have no expansion option too…
 
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You probably think of the SoC range between 20% and 80%, which is within the flat region of the charge/discharge curve, but even there the voltage difference can reach 1.0V, which is still too much and can result in currents exceeding the 2-3A limit.
If the current flowing out of the battery pack exceeds its capabilities or safety limits, there should be some form of protection built into the battery pack, you can't assume that nobody is ever going to short circuit the output, so this shouldn't be a safety issue, only an issue of if you will trip the protection or blow a fuse.

The maximum voltage range of a 12V LFP battery is 10-14.6V, which corresponds to an initial difference of 4.6V when the two batteries are connected in parallel.
14.6 is the maximum charge voltage, when you stop charging, if the battery is 100% full, the voltage drops to 13.6, and when you put a load on it, the voltage drops further, and the voltage on the charging battery will increase.

To make current flow, you need a complete circuit, which on that Thinkware diagram includes a trip to "Vehicle GND" and back, there will be resistance in the circuit, so you are going to need to upgrade to heavy duty cables as well as have 100% empty and 100% full battery packs to possibly have a problem, and even then it should not be a safety problem.
 
Perhaps the answer re potential dangerous current flows is somewhere in the middle..?! 🤷‍♂️

Logic would dictate that if there really was a dangerous aspect to any of this then manufacturers would heavily stress the case and caution – but then, most parallel battery solutions I suspect are unauthorised setups anyhow...The Thinkvue guide/diagram would seem to be a notable exception, though they seem to make no written description on the subject...
Having said that, going back to the pic I posted earlier of the Cellink Expansion Battery manual and their warning, they do seem to advise some caution re different voltage states – I'm still confused by that one though and how you're supposed to fully charge an expansion battery unconnected from a main battery and when you are unable to charge the expansion unit directly..?! 🙄
 
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