Seriously Stupid ( A grade stupid )

[Dashmellow]

I see a lot of video ( maybe too much ) and in a lot of them there is no attempt to brake/slow down before imminent impact ( when its too late ) .
What is it with that ? It's not a rare incident , but becoming a very common occurrence .
It matters not who is in the right or wrong , but many seem simply intent on crashing . There seems to be a prevailing FU attitude , even if it kills !
Perhaps that movie should have been " Death race 2017 "

So where is this attitude coming from ? ( TV , Movies , Gooberment , School , ?? or all of the above ) Has FU snowballed into a monster ? and is it going to get much worse ?
Because in the last 30 years , it's gone to ##@!#$% on the roads . ( And the minister for transport thinks everything is OK )

I don't necessarily agree that this kind of thing is "becoming a very common occurrence". I've seen remarks like that attached to so many things nowadays. What is really going on is that unlike years ago, we now live in an age of ubiquitous video capture where there is widespread use of CCTV surveillance, high def cell phone video, dash cameras, action cams, police body cams; you name it. And much of it ends up on YouTube, elsewhere on the internet and TV. Things that once seemed very rare now seem commonplace because technology has created a new paradigm where many things get documented and disseminated that never used to.

 

[Deleted member 46308]

One of them was from an outfit called DDS TV which claims to be "Unarguably the best crash channel there is". They appear to really be a dash cam retailer called USADashcams that uses crash videos for promotion. The message I received was a bit odd in that it mentioned a different video of mine than the one the actual video was linked to and failed to provide adequate contact info. The other was from Newsflare and was more straightforward. A guy simply introduced himself, said that he works for a licensing agency saying they were interested. He provided contact info along with a friendly request to contact him. Their web site was interesting in that they offer assignments and reminded me a little of some of the photo agencies I've worked with. They seem to have an actual legitimate business model and a presence outside of YouTube. Their web site provides a lot of detailed information about who they are, how it works, who they work for such as news and media organizations, licensing information, etc.

You have obviously conducted your research in depth, which I have found is normal for you. However, I am from a different discipline and would probably take a neutral role and walk away. Great job on the video; I can see why people would be interested in obtaining the rights for their own.

 

[Dashmellow]

You have obviously conducted your research in depth, which I have found is normal for you. However, I am from a different discipline and would probably take a neutral role and walk away. Great job on the video; I can see why people would be interested in obtaining the rights for their own.

Thanks for the compliment! Just so you know, I haven't made any decision as yet nor even responded to the email so far. I appreciate your learned advice. 🙂

I have a hunch that these outfits are perusing DCT and other forums for this kind of material, not just YouTube.

 

[Deleted member 46308]

Thanks for the compliment! Just so you know, I haven't made any decision as yet nor even responded to the email so far. I appreciate your learned advice. 🙂

I have a hunch that these outfits are perusing DCT and other forums for this kind of material, not just YouTube.

You are welcome, and you have earned those comments. I think your perceptions are accurate.

 

[Dashmellow]

You are welcome, and you have earned those comments. I think your perceptions are accurate.

Thanks! That's very kind of you.

 

[Module 79L]

I don't necessarily agree that this kind of thing is "becoming a very common occurrence". I've seen remarks like that attached to so many things nowadays. What is really going on is that unlike years ago, we now live in an age of ubiquitous video capture where there is widespread use of CCTV surveillance, high def cell phone video, dash cameras, action cams, police body cams; you name it. And much of it ends up on YouTube, elsewhere on the internet and TV. Things that once seemed very rare now seem commonplace because technology has created a new paradigm where many things get documented and disseminated that never used to.

I've only started using a dashcam two and a half years ago but I've been driving/riding for much longer than that and I'm not blind. Even though I have no footage of the previous 26 years, I have a clear perception about how drivers/riders behaved "then" and "now" and I can tell you that some of the occurrences that are very common these days were very rare, say, 5-10 years ago. Maybe it's this perception of how things were before dashcams in his city, region or country that @old4570 is talking about.

 

[Rajagra]

What is considered "normal" most definitely changes over the years. This is true in all areas of life. Some of these changes are good, some less so, some are plain stupid, and some are just differences of opinion.

But the most baffling changes I've seen are most definitely in road use. What huge chunks of society now see as normal and acceptable would have been seen as insanity by 99%+ of the population just 10 or 20 years ago.

These things are just as dangerous and irrational as they ever were. But once enough people do it, it becomes normal. Because that's the definition of normal.

Well I'll tell you now, the new "normal" on the roads sucks.

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[SawMaster]

Well I'll tell you now, the new "normal" on the roads sucks.

+1 🙁
Not just the loss of friendliness and consideration for others, it is now just plain dangerous to be out there among the commonplace idiots 😳

Phil

 

[Dashmellow]

I've only started using a dashcam two and a half years ago but I've been driving/riding for much longer than that and I'm not blind. Even though I have no footage of the previous 26 years, I have a clear perception about how drivers/riders behaved "then" and "now" and I can tell you that some of the occurrences that are very common these days were very rare, say, 5-10 years ago. Maybe it's this perception of how things were before dashcams in his city, region or country that @old4570 is talking about.

It's true that society changes over time, not always for the better. Still, ubiquitous video skews peoples perceptions about often things occur now than they used to. It's hardly confined to driving behaviors. Here in the US for example there is a lot of attention being focused on how many times police officers are captured on camera engaged in racial profiling, abusing or even shooting and killing unarmed people of color. Many black folks of different ages, including some friends of mine tell me that this is nothing new, it's been going on for a long, long time, only now it gets captured on video so there is a greater awareness and it seems as if it is suddenly happening more and more.

 

[Dashmellow]

+1 🙁
Not just the loss of friendliness and consideration for others, it is now just plain dangerous to be out there among the commonplace idiots 😳

Phil

Where I live in New England, it is quite common for people to drive courteously. Often, when someone wants to cut into a line of cars in traffic people wave the driver through. It's kind of contagious, the more people do it the more likely it is for the guy you waved through to do it for the next guy. We have our share of jerks too ( I encountered one just today) but many times when it happens it turns out to be someone from out of state. Because I live in a place that attracts a lot of tourists and travelers passing through on their way to other destinations it is very common that people from urban areas are the most selfish dangerous drivers.

 

[SawMaster]

Here in the US for example there is a lot of attention being focused on how many times police officers are captured on camera engaged in racial profiling, abusing or even shooting unarmed people of color. Many black folks of different ages, including friends of mine tell me that this is nothing new, only now it gets captured on video.

Here in the South it was actually much worse before video became so common, and it wasn't just one race that got persecuted 😡 But people of color were far worse off back then 🙁 The Judges took the word of the Cops over anything else, but now it's possible to have evidence that cannot be so glibly ignored as the whole world is now watching and the evil ones are beginning to get their just desserts 😎

I worked with a man who was one of the "Buffalo Soldiers" on Iwo Jima in WW2. They were tasked with taking a smaller hill while the main all-white force captured Mt. Suribachi. The Black troops succeeded 20 minutes ahead and posted a US flag on their hill, which they were quickly ordered to take down so that the white troops could claim the victory 😱 Remember that when you see a pic of the flag raising on Iwo and be thankful that we have a better world today 🙂 There is truth in pics and vids, but that isn't always the whole story 😉

Phil

 

[Dashmellow]

Here in the South it was actually much worse before video became so common, and it wasn't just one race that got persecuted 😡 But people of color were far worse off back then 🙁 The Judges took the word of the Cops over anything else, but now it's possible to have evidence that cannot be so glibly ignored as the whole world is now watching and the evil ones are beginning to get their just desserts 😎

I worked with a man who was one of the "Buffalo Soldiers" on Iwo Jima in WW2. They were tasked with taking a smaller hill while the main all-white force captured Mt. Suribachi. The Black troops succeeded 20 minutes ahead and posted a US flag on their hill, which they were quickly ordered to take down so that the white troops could claim the victory 😱 Remember that when you see a pic of the flag raising on Iwo and be thankful that we have a better world today 🙂 There is truth in pics and vids, but that isn't always the whole story 😉

Phil

I agree. It probably was "worse" before video cameras became available. What I am suggesting is different. Video has made it more visible to the whole of society than it was years ago.

 

[SawMaster]

Video has made it more visible to the whole of society than it was years ago.

Yes that- and the ubiquity of cellphone video is what has driven the changes, which can be a good thing or not 😉

In the past a child molester getting arrested would have "fallen on the curb", then "fallen getting into the police car", then "fallen" getting out of the car too, and society would have not said a word about the injuries 😛 Now people want personal notoriety so badly that they film and post the entire episode which somehow miraculously eliminates those "falls" 😱 So it works both for and against us.

I personally believe that there are now fewer instances of these issues than in the past- there is certainly not an increase in them as some would suppose. The fewer instances are getting more attention now that it has become easy to do that, so in this I think we agree other than on the numbers 😀

It is now up to the people to use their new power wisely, for sometimes there might be things best left un-filmed and unseen or at least not spoken of. But for the true wrongs and injustices we now have more power to use to fight against them and we should do that 😎

Just be careful with what you ask for because you just might get it and discover it wasn't what you wanted 😡

Phil

 

[old4570]

Not so much what is seen on Dash cam footage ...
But rather what I see myself .. ( Changes in the last 30 years ) Did I start driving around '81
What was very rare = Red light runners ! , people failing to indicate , courtesy was more common ... Drink driving was more common ( a bad thing )
I was on the road a lot more back then ... Probably 90% more .
I hardly drive at all now compared to back then , but I just see so much more Dumb %^.t now then back in the old days when I spent a heck of a lot more time driving .
Back then it was any excuse to go for a drive , now I look for a bad enough reason to have to drive .
So the ratio of bad driving from then to now from my observations are right off the scale .

So lets compare .. I used to use at least a tank of fuel a week ..
Now I use a tank of fuel every ( on average ) two Months .
And that's another strange thing .. Australian built cars have not improved on fuel economy in almost 40 years ...
The oldest car I had was about a 67 ( first ) and my latest is a 2005 .. ( Holden ) and whats been in between .
And the fuel economy has always been about the same .. ( How crazy is that )

 

[Dashmellow]

Not so much what is seen on Dash cam footage ...
But rather what I see myself .. ( Changes in the last 30 years )

No, wait a minute @olde4570. Now you're completely reversing yourself and moving the goal posts!
This entire lengthy discussion has been predicated on your post that:

"I see a lot of video ( maybe too much ) and in a lot of them there is no attempt to brake/slow down before imminent impact ( when its too late ) .
What is it with that ? It's not a rare incident , but becoming a very common occurrence .

Now it's, "Not so much what is seen on Dash cam footage ...?"

What gives?"

 

[DT MI]

...
Just be careful with what you ask for because you just might get it and discover it wasn't what you wanted 😡...

Or as I was told on more than one occasion - "You don't always get what you want, or want what you get."

 

[old4570]

No, wait a minute @olde4570. Now you're completely reversing yourself and moving the goal posts!
This entire lengthy discussion has been predicated on your post that:

"I see a lot of video ( maybe too much ) and in a lot of them there is no attempt to brake/slow down before imminent impact ( when its too late ) .
What is it with that ? It's not a rare incident , but becoming a very common occurrence .

Now it's, "Not so much what is seen on Dash cam footage ...?"

What gives?"

CONTEXT ... OP is related to people using their brakes ! ( or not wanting to )
The other post you have so expressively pointed out is in regards to my personal observations of general driving since I started driving ..
To point out that my general perspective is not VIDEO related ..

Yes , all the crash cam footage on YOUTUBE is some what one sided ( Crash city ) and may not / do not delve into the root cause of the crashes ...
( Strokes - heart attacks - seizures - bee stings - spiders - snakes - B_jobs - H_jobs - mobile phone - children - etc )
I think one has to take more away from these - than just funny - or people being stupid - it's a free lesson in what not to do ....
Or more aptly , WHAT To Do = Like use the brakes .... ( Slow down or stop ) ... Be safe , not bold or stupid ..
Everyone makes mistakes some time , the trick is to minimize or eliminate them ( since we are human - mistakes will be made - small ones hopefully )

So yes the OP is still very much relevant to the use of brakes .. And how little of its use I see on the Video's posted ..
How many crashes do you see in a life time ? YouTube allows you to see several life times worth ..
And if you take nothing away from it ? Then thats sad ..
What I have taken away from it , is that people are very reluctant to use the brakes ..
Most crashes happen because people don't slow down , dont use the brakes , and simply don't recognize danger ...

I sit here sometimes stamping my foot on the floor wanting the tool who's video I am watching to apply the brakes , well they don't and CRASH ... You can see it coming , you know its going to happen ...
But there is no sign of intelligent life in the video , just some poorly programmed test crash dummy ( crashing )
So yeah !!! Why is it so hard to apply the brakes ?

 

[Module 79L]

Well I'll tell you now, the new "normal" on the roads sucks.

That's why I refuse to accept the "new normal". When some of my fellow citizens ask in my videos "Why do you stop at every STOP sign? There's no need for that!" I know the "No Need To Stop Culture" has become the "new norm" but I always fight it anyway. The law says motorists have to fully stop the vehicle at STOP signs, so by not doing it they are intentionally and consciously breaking the law.
I may be a little obsessive-compulsive (or a lot, sometimes) about many things but I consider being O-C about obeying the law a good thing. 🙂

 

[Deleted member 46308]

That's why I refuse to accept the "new normal". When some of my fellow citizens ask in my videos "Why do you stop at every STOP sign? There's no need for that!" I know the "No Need To Stop Culture" has become the "new norm" but I always fight it anyway. The law says motorists have to fully stop the vehicle at STOP signs, so by not doing it they are intentionally and consciously breaking the law.
I may be a little obsessive-compulsive (or a lot, sometimes) about many things but I consider being O-C about obeying the law a good thing. 🙂

+++1

 

[Dashmellow]

CONTEXT ... OP is related to people using their brakes ! ( or not wanting to )
The other post you have so expressively pointed out is in regards to my personal observations of general driving since I started driving ..
To point out that my general perspective is not VIDEO related ..

Yes , all the crash cam footage on YOUTUBE is some what one sided ( Crash city ) and may not / do not delve into the root cause of the crashes ...
( Strokes - heart attacks - seizures - bee stings - spiders - snakes - B_jobs - H_jobs - mobile phone - children - etc )
I think one has to take more away from these - than just funny - or people being stupid - it's a free lesson in what not to do ....
Or more aptly , WHAT To Do = Like use the brakes .... ( Slow down or stop ) ... Be safe , not bold or stupid ..
Everyone makes mistakes some time , the trick is to minimize or eliminate them ( since we are human - mistakes will be made - small ones hopefully )

So yes the OP is still very much relevant to the use of brakes .. And how little of its use I see on the Video's posted ..
How many crashes do you see in a life time ? YouTube allows you to see several life times worth ..
And if you take nothing away from it ? Then thats sad ..
What I have taken away from it , is that people are very reluctant to use the brakes ..
Most crashes happen because people don't slow down , dont use the brakes, and simply don't recognize danger ...

I sit here sometimes stamping my foot on the floor wanting the tool who's video I am watching to apply the brakes , well they don't and CRASH ... You can see it coming , you know its going to happen ...
But there is no sign of intelligent life in the video , just some poorly programmed test crash dummy ( crashing )
So yeah !!! Why is it so hard to apply the brakes ?

Well, again, not really in "context" as you put it. Your OP (and title of the thread) was all about the driver being "SERIOUSLY STUPID", characterizing the motorist as a "Tripod" and "Some Breeder popped him out of the easy bake oven", who didn't use his "breaks" (sic).

I merely tried to point out that there was no way to know the actual reason why he lost control of his vehicle and didn't apply the brakes by suggesting that there might have been an alternative explanation, like a medical emergency.

There could be any number of reasons for a car to go out of control or fail to apply the brakes. It almost happened to me one time. I was driving on a busy highway with my girlfriend when her nearly 100 pound dog in the back seat yelped and suddenly came bounding into the front seats in a wild out-of-control panic. I found myself fighting off the the dog with my elbow while at the same time trying not to lose control of the car, which I almost did. I couldn't hit the brakes because that would have caused an accident in 65 mph traffic.

So, it turned out that there were two bees in the car buzzing around the back window and one of them had stung the dog, hence his wild panic when he dove into the front seat. And next thing I know I'm swatting bees too AND trying to keep the dog out of my lap without causing a wreck.

It was a pretty hairy moment. Fortunately, my girlfriend got everything under control with the dog and we didn't cause a pile-up on the highway. Fortunately, the dog really trusts her.

If I had been in a crash and someone put a video of the whole incident on YouTube, no doubt someone like you would come along with a scathing attack on my intelligence without a clue about what really went down.

The whole thing with these kind of YouTube videos and the sort of commentary we so often see in these threads is that it gives many people an unwarranted sense of superiority, which I speculate is likely one of the reasons they are so popular.