B1W Side-Facing Camera

TonyM

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I have installed my B1W as a side-facing camera. The small size and 360 degree rotating mount makes it easy to attach the B1W to my rear side window.

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I like this setup so much I have ordered another B1W to install on the other side of the car.
 
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I like it!

How does it look from outside the car? On my vehicle the rear windows are darkly tinted so the side cameras are quite stealthy.
 
I like it!

How does it look from outside the car? On my vehicle the rear windows are darkly tinted so the side cameras are quite stealthy.
Mine are dark tint too, so you really don't notice it's there at all.
 
I've tried mounting a Mobius camera in this window a number of times with various mounts, but never managed anything as discreet and easy to fit as the B1W.
 
I like it!

How does it look from outside the car? On my vehicle the rear windows are darkly tinted so the side cameras are quite stealthy.
Can you see it?
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That is why you should put it in the provided "dashcam space", other than avoiding the heater wires it will also avoid the silhouette being visible against the far window ;)
It depends entirely on the angle you look at it. I had to crouch down to find a view where you could see it at all.
 

Looks good and is quite similar to the stealthiness of my similarly mounted side cameras. On occasion, depending on the lighting the cameras can be seen in silhouette if there is bright light coming into the vehicle from opposite side of my truck and there is a lighter area such as a white vehicle parked on the opposite side as well but it's temporary and the cameras don't look like much. For the most part, most people even looking right at the cameras don't realize that that's what they are, especially with the Mobius. I think that may be the same with the pill shaped B1W. It doesn't shout "camera"! Seems like a great application for this camera, and priced right as well.
 
It depends entirely on the angle you look at it. I had to crouch down to find a view where you could see it at all.

I've been experimenting with side cameras and rear facing cameras for about six years and have now had full time side and rear cams installed for a least three years. From my experience, it's best to mount side cameras in the center of the window and as high as possible. Not only is this stealthier but it provides for the best coverage. One of the things I like best about side cams is the protection it offers me when parked and away from my vehicle and having the cameras high on the window allows me to tilt them downwards to provide full coverage of the entire vehicle parked next to me right down to the pavement while still having excellent coverage of the next lane while driving.This older capture below shows the amount of close range parking coverage that can be achieved. Having said this @TonyM, I'd like to suggest experimenting with tilting the B1W lower as well. You don't need quite so much sky in your side shots and might benefit from the improved next lane coverage. Less sky may also improve your exposures through the dark tinted glass. BTW, on my Mobius side cams I make a minor exposure compensation for the tinted glass in mSetup and this has certainly proved to be a worthwhile thing to do.

This is with the Mobius "B" lens. The C2 lens provides better coverage and less of the window frame in the FOV.
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@TonyM, I'd like to suggest experimenting with tilting the B1W lower as well. You don't need quite so much sky in your side shots and might benefit from the improved next lane coverage. Less sky may also improve your exposures through the dark tinted glass.
Thanks for the suggestion. It is certainly something worth trying, and adjusting the angle takes no time at all.

My other B1W arrived today so I'll be mounting that on the other side of the car soon. I think I will try to get them as high as possible close to the top window edge, then aim downwards a bit.
 
@Dashmellow following your example I relocated my B1W cameras to the top centre of my side windows and aimed them downwards, to the point that they can see the wheels of adjacent parked cars.
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Unfortunately that is a bit too low to see into the cab of passing vans and HGVs when I'm on the road.
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Comparing my results to yours:
- The B1W field of view may be smaller than your Mobius B lens
- Your truck is taller than my car, so you get a better view higher up. Do you have something like this truck parked next to my car?
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- US parking spaces are a lot wider than here in the UK!
 
I think this angle should be a better compromise :)

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@Dashmellow following your example I relocated my B1W cameras to the top centre of my side windows and aimed them downwards, to the point that they can see the wheels of adjacent parked cars.
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Unfortunately that is a bit too low to see into the cab of passing vans and HGVs when I'm on the road.
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Comparing my results to yours:
- The B1W field of view may be smaller than your Mobius B lens
- Your truck is taller than my car, so you get a better view higher up. Do you have something like this truck parked next to my car?
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- US parking spaces are a lot wider than here in the UK!

I gather that you've never visited the US as your characterization of US parking spaces being universally a lot wider than in the UK is not well founded. The size of parking spaces here varies widely depending upon where you park and where you go. While many shopping malls and big box stores have large parking lots with plenty of room for sizeable parking spaces other locations with less real estate to spare will crowd parked cars together like sardines. There are some nearby stores and restaurant where I simply can't park my truck in their tiny lots. It's always amusing to hear the assumptions and stereotypes about the USA voiced on these pages. Just yesterday I had to wedge myself into a parking spot where I could barely open my door enough to exit my truck and had to literally touch the other vehicle's door handle with my door edge being careful not to damage anything. There was little room on the opposite side as well. Anyway, the photo you posted of the three vehicles parked side by side would not be atypical here in America. BTW, the truck in your photo is a Nissan Titan, a full size pick-up truck. I drive a Toyota Tacoma mid-sized pick-up that is smaller, with a cab and bed that is somewhat lower to the ground.

While it is hard to tell because of the barrel distortion in this photo, note that my camera's perspective at 5 feet off the ground (pointing downwards) is at about at the midpoint between the top of this vehicle's window and the pavement. At any rate, even at this close range the Mobius C2 lens is doing what I want it to do as a side cam.
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Not much later I was in a different parking lot where there is plenty of room between cars but the parking spots are so short that my pick-up truck sticks dangerously out into the flow of traffic.
(Notice the red SUV in the distance that has much taller windows than my Toyota mid size pick-up.)
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So, your post got me thinking about the height of my rear window camera mount, so I measured it and the camera is 5 feet, one inch from the pavement. Then I spent the day observing other vehicles around town and discovered that this was slightly higher than many other vehicles but lower than various other pick-up trucks as well as even some passenger cars. Several SUVs even higher (taller) windows than my truck. On the lower end, compact cars tended to have the highest point on their rear window at about 4 feet from the pavement. Cross-overs tended to be higher than compact cars for the most part. Anyway, this was about the average range one could expect, except for some outliers like sports cars. Oh, vans like in your screen grab tended to have taller cabs and windows than many pick-up trucks.

This thread got me thinking about my six or so years of side camera experiments and this motivated me to take an inventory. I realized that I've experimented with nine different side facing cameras and 12 different lenses. The Mobius cam with a C2 lens has proven to provide the most ideal coverage for my purposes. Obviously, with each camera and each vehicle the results will be different. With each camera and lens I've tried, it took some trial and error (what you are calling compromise) to find the optimal positioning for the particular camera and lens. In the end, some cameras proved ill-suited for side camera use while others were much better. Some cameras just seems to perform better as well but that's more a function of DSP and sensor. Camera height surely plays a role but ultimately, everything else aside I think choice of lens is the primary factor in choosing a good side camera.

As for how low to aim the lens I suppose it matters what kind of coverage any given camera can provide but experience taught me that it was vital to have at least some amount of very close-to-my-vehicle coverage for parking as well as the possibility of a side impact while driving. For parking it's good to see down to the pavement as much as possible, especially for door coverage and the possibility of vandalize. At the same time it's obviously important to have a full view of the adjacent lane of traffic as you point out in the image of the van cab that gets cropped out. For this reason, after thinking this through and reviewing your footage and stills I am no longer quite so impressed with the B1W as a side cam as the lens coverage just seems too narrow (both height and width). Other similar screen-less, tube style cameras may be better choices and there are many on the market these days. I had good luck with the mini-0806 and mini-0906 for this use as their FOV was better for suited for this purpose.

BTW, speaking of huge USA parking spaces here's a three year old screen grab shot at a nearby Walmart store. The parking lot is enormous (I'm parked somewhere near the middle.) and the spaces are the longest and widest I've ever seen anywhere! It avoids many of the tight parking problems, dented doors and other typical conflicts people often experience and makes it very easy to park there which I assume is the reason they provide this much room. Cars can essentially fully open their doors with ease with room to spare.

This image is from a G1W-H fitted with the original Mobius C lens.
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I gather that you've never visited the US as your characterization of US parking spaces being universally a lot wider than in the UK is not well founded. The size of parking spaces here varies widely depending upon where you park and where you go. While many shopping malls and big box stores have large parking lots with plenty of room for sizeable parking spaces other locations with less real estate to spare will crowd parked cars together like sardines. There are some nearby stores and restaurant where I simply can't park my truck in their tiny lots. It's always amusing to hear the assumptions and stereotypes about the USA voiced on these pages.
Yes, I was referring to the stereotype of everything being bigger over there. ;)

In fact I spent a year in the US (but not driving) as an exchange student, where I met my future wife. She has now lived here for 13 years and she still talks about our narrow UK roads and parking spaces.

I do understand that just like us you have both narrow and wide parking spaces. There are some spaces I can't get my car into either, and at the best of times I'm picky about where I park to try and avoid other people opening their doors into my car.
 
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Not really enough space for a Dodge Ram in this car park!
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You can have full frame if you want - not much more to see. I was on the other side of the road driving past the car park.
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Top image makes it seem as if the Dodge had parked in the middle of his space there would be more room. Indeed that is a big vehicle compared with the others. So what do people do for parking who drive something other than tiny compact cars such as wider wheelbase vans, such as the one in your post #11 above? How does a historic walled city like York compare to other locations for parking modern vehicles?
 
Top image makes it seem as if the Dodge had parked in the middle of his space there would be more room.
He wouldn't have been able to get out of his drivers door if he had parked in the middle. Nice to see that he parked backwards so that he didn't block the drivers door of the next car.


The camera has done a very decent job of all those number plates, considering it is a cheap camera and is moving sideways.
 
Without being able to see the white lines, or knowing who got there first, I suppose it's hard to say who is in the middle of their bay or not. I agree that he probably parked as courteously as he could, given the space available!

York has some pretty tight (and short) parking spaces, but so do many other towns and cities across the country. Drivers of longer wheelbase vans sometimes drive through and occupy two spaces end-to-end (where parking is free, like at a grocery store).
 
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