Motorist driven off road by dangerous driver

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Motorist driven off road by dangerous driver on A140
A motorist was forced off a road and across fields to try and escape a driver who repeatedly pursued him.

The chase on the A140 between Yaxley and Earl Stonham in Suffolk in July was recorded on the victim's dashcam.

Declan McGee, 48, of Chestnut Place in Cringleford near Norwich, pleaded guilty to dangerous driving and driving without insurance and was given a suspended prison sentence and ordered to carry out 80 hours of unpaid community work.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-eng...t-driven-off-road-by-dangerous-driver-on-a140

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BMW driver probably feel like he is the violated one here.

The Bavarian car company sure do have some problems with the people driving their cars.
 
Yeah, really society should not care for people like this, only thing society should do in regard to people like that is minimize their chance of becoming a danger or financial burden to the stand up people.

Something like this are the kind of offenses i would like to see people get their car impounded for a while, then they can take the bus while they think about how much they need that car and so they better handle it with more responsibility when they get the car back.

There is a guy here that apparently have been driving trucks for the better part of a decade while not having a license for the big rigs as he lost that long ago, and since he have been busted several times and even gotten a laughable jail sentence, then i am near to where he should be branded with some form of warning on his forehead.
 
Different jurisdictions have different penalties. There are penalties for speeding, stunt driving, drunk driving, distracted driving and failure to obey traffic signals. I feel the all of these penalties should be DOUBLED in the event of property damage and tripled in the case of injury and quadrupled in the case of death. A $400 distracted driving penalty like we have here in Ontario, seems suitable. But is $400 with or without an accident or injury.

Select parts from http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/stunt-driving-list-1.3311954 for Ontario rules.
1. If you get charged with stunt driving, your licence is automatically taken away.

... people are always surprised when police pull them over and take away their licence on the spot.

2. Your car gets impounded for seven days — even if it's your mom's car.

Coluzzi said police impound the car no matter who it belongs to. In the past, that's included rental cars, company cars, and your parent's car. Whoever the car belongs to will be on the hook to pay the fee for towing, along with the fees for keeping the car at the impound lot for seven days.

"If it's mom's vehicle, and the son was driving it, the mom might say, 'son you're paying for that tow,'" Coluzzi said. "But if the mom wants her car back, she's going to obviously [have to] pay it."

3. Stunt driving involves more than just speeding — it also deals with actual stunts and road rage.

Driving on a bet, popping wheelies, and doing donuts (spinning in a circle without maintaining control) all count as stunt driving.

If you've got road rage, you'll want to watch out too. Coluzzi said if you're purposefully not letting someone pass, driving to close, or trying to make someone rear-end you, that's stunt driving. If you turn left at an intersection and cut the traffic off going the opposite direction, that will count too.

4. Putting your friend in the trunk of your car counts as stunt driving too.

Short on seats? You might want to think twice before you get your extra friend to take a ride in your trunk. Coluzzi said he's never personally seen it, but it has happened.

Another more unique charge: "Fail to occupy the driver's seat of the vehicle." Coluzzi said he isn't too sure how this logistically could happen, but it would involve driving the motor vehicle while the driver isn't sitting in the driver's the seat. "Somebody else is controlling the wheel, and you're not in control of the gas or breaking," he said. "It would be an odd situation."

5. The fine for stunt driving is double the fine for drunk driving.

If convicted, the minimum first-time fine for stunt driving is $2,000. That fine can go all the way up to $10,000. You could also end up with six months in jail and a 2 year licence suspension. In comparison, the first-time fine for drunk driving comes with a $1,000 charge.


Those are Ontario laws. For this case on the a140, 18 weeks for this with no financial penalty seems inappropriate to me. Note point 5 and compare to this case on the a140.

Ontario gave a drunk driver a 10 year sentence for an accident that killed four. I believe gross negligence under the wheel should be treated although not as severely, but under the same concept as attempted murder. Ok, I am not saying some be imprisoned for years, but give a harsher penalty than community service and if a repeat offender, perhaps driving privileges forever.
 
Yeah, really society should not care for people like this, only thing society should do in regard to people like that is minimize their chance of becoming a danger or financial burden to the stand up people.

Something like this are the kind of offenses i would like to see people get their car impounded for a while, then they can take the bus while they think about how much they need that car and so they better handle it with more responsibility when they get the car back.

There is a guy here that apparently have been driving trucks for the better part of a decade while not having a license for the big rigs as he lost that long ago, and since he have been busted several times and even gotten a laughable jail sentence, then i am near to where he should be branded with some form of warning on his forehead.
Here, the police will confiscate you car and often crush it if you are caught driving with no insurance. They may have done so in this case, but I suspect the police didn't attend the "accident".

We are only seeing one side of this story, presumably there was a reason he wanted to talk to the other driver, maybe the other driver wasn't exactly the innocent victim the news report suggests? Nobody was hurt so a jail sentence would have been hard to justify for a first offence, I think the suspended sentence was much too short though, seems pointless at that length.
 
with the bimmer tailgating so hard it would have been trivial to stand on the brakes and bash in the bimmer's lights and more importantly, his radiator, with minimal damage to the cam car (esp considering it was a small SUV). that wouldn't have instantly stopped the chase, but the bimmer would have started overheating in no time and would then be forced to stop.

would love to see unedited footage, and also see what led up to it.
 
with the bimmer tailgating so hard it would have been trivial to stand on the brakes and bash in the bimmer's lights and more importantly, his radiator, with minimal damage to the cam car (esp considering it was a small SUV). that wouldn't have instantly stopped the chase, but the bimmer would have started overheating in no time and would then be forced to stop.

would love to see unedited footage, and also see what led up to it.
There is a suggestion that it was just that the Suzuki accelerated as the BMW tried to overtake, which the video https://streamable.com/846so does appear to show, both the video and sound, although I'm a bit surprised that a Suzuki would be capable of acceleration the BMW would notice! Suspect the car in front slowed down causing the gap to decrease.
 
There is a suggestion that it was just that the Suzuki accelerated as the BMW tried to overtake, which the video https://streamable.com/846so does appear to show, both the video and sound, although I'm a bit surprised that a Suzuki would be capable of acceleration the BMW would notice! Suspect the car in front slowed down causing the gap to decrease.
It starts at a completely straight section of road with a constant 50mph limit - no obvious reason for the car in front to slow down, although there could be something ahead we can't see. Watching the video and listening to the engine noise it does appear that the Suzuki driver tried to prevent the BMW from passing. We can only speculate whether there was anything else going on prior to the video clips we have seen. The police article does say the BMW driver "was seen overtaking several vehicles before he pulled in very close in front to the victim’s car".
 
Well, whatever story the suzuki driver gave was enough to have them overlook his ramming the bmw at the end of the longer video.

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Dashcammer gets no sympathy from me, he probably deserved it. Its the only reason why he is not releasing the whole tape. He also put other cars at risk by speeding up when the rear car is trying to overtake.
 
Yes will have to be careful.
Thats what i like in some of the Russian dashcam compilations, some crashes you have footage from several cars to cover it.

Still even if the camera car have been a idiot, that's not a card blanche for anyone to join in, but i also have to admit that it is hard not to do when you have encountered one such idiot.

Myself i have never brake checked or followed a car like that, but i have from time to time honked and flashed my high beams at the car in front of me when they have thrown garbage from their car, and i have to admit that have been done with the hope of getting into a physical or at least verbal confrontation.
And i have been lucky with that from time to time, but when i then come screaming out of my car, then they jump into their car and drive off ( no will not upload that footage cuz i am not proud of it )
 
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Well, whatever story the suzuki driver gave was enough to have them overlook his ramming the bmw at the end of the longer video.

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I think that as the BMW accelerated to pass the Suzuki again, it clipped the back of the Suzuki causing the Suzuki to turn right, by which time the BMW was alongside and got hit. Clearly the court thought the BMW caused the crash and they must have looked at it carefully.

It starts at a completely straight section of road with a constant 50mph limit - no obvious reason for the car in front to slow down, although there could be something ahead we can't see. Watching the video and listening to the engine noise it does appear that the Suzuki driver tried to prevent the BMW from passing. We can only speculate whether there was anything else going on prior to the video clips we have seen. The police article does say the BMW driver "was seen overtaking several vehicles before he pulled in very close in front to the victim’s car".
I suspect something before that neither driver wanted the police to know about, but it was a BMW driver so I wouldn't be surprised if it was just the acceleration from the Suzuki that caused it!

Accelerating to prevent an overtake is illegal, but the BMW driver could just of backed off and reported the Suzuki driver to the police.

Myself i have never brake checked or followed a car like that...
That wasn't a brake check, it was a forced stop and an attempt to do the job of the police, something the police generally don't like!
 
Dashcammer gets no sympathy from me, he probably deserved it. Its the only reason why he is not releasing the whole tape.
What we see is an edited video. We don't know if it was edited by the police or the dashcam owner. It was however posted online by the police, not by the dashcammer.

I suspect something before that neither driver wanted the police to know about
I would expect the police to have looked at the dashcam footage prior to what is posted online. There were quite a few other cars around too, so there should have been additional witness statements.
 
I'll concur that seeing the full video would be helpful...from the point the two cars first encountered each other to see what led up to where the edited video picks up.

Side note - BMW drivers always have the right of way...so cammer should have obviously yielded to whatever the Beemer wanted to do.
 
Cars with dashcams are NEVER in the wrong 👍
 
Instead we should give a severe / ultimate sentence instead to free up jail cell space.
There are parasites in there that will never cause anything but grief and misery for just about anyone they come in contact with, eliminate them i say, as housing them in this manner are much too expensive for no gain what so ever.
We surely should not make jails into a industry like some have, i know of no industry with their hands in the tax money that haven't just gobbled up money with little to prove it.

There are billions to be saved that could be put to better use.

We Danes have one prison that pretty much work as intended, so i saw a TV program from there, and in it some immigrant gangster complained that being housed there felt like a punishment.

And i was like, you stupid ( self sensor a lot of words ),,,,,, that's how prisons are supposed to feel like, otherwise they have no merit at all if its just a hotel with no key on one side of the door.
Honestly i vote for chani gangs too and what not, those SOBS should not feel like its fun at all.

Personally i stopped my criminal career, not due to the prisons or the laws here, but the simple fact that i can not deal with being forced to do most things, so if i got in prison i would have to kill myself.
Took a little while but i finally figured it out all on my own.
Most other people dont feel like i do, but all men should FEAR prison, or it simply dont work.
 
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