Predictions (or rather, wishes) for the specifications of the upcoming Viofo Dashcam

donburi

Member
Joined
Apr 1, 2021
Messages
46
Reaction score
50
Location
47都道府県のどこか
Country
Japan
Dash Cam
Comtec ZDR055 Viofo A329 A119V3 Cellstar CS-93FH
The text may be incorrect due to the use of machine translation.

Image sensor: Sony IMX585, 1/1.2, pixel size 2.9μm, SNR1s 0.17, Starvis2
Processor: CPU with performance equal to or greater than A329
Equipped with ClearHDR instead of conventional DOL-HDR
Supports up to four cameras (Front: 4K, Rear: 2.5K, Interior: Full HD, Telephoto: 2.5K)
Bitrate remains consistent even with a four-camera setup (adding cameras doesn’t reduce the bitrate)
4K 60FPS bitrate reaches 120Mbps (when bitrate options are set to maximum)
Brighter lenses with a lower F-number
Faster shutter speed
Improved brightness for nighttime recording (comparable to ZDR055 in the following video:
)
Higher dynamic range
Enhanced sound quality (48kHz, 192kbps); currently the sound quality is compromised and almost unbearable (16kHz, 64kbps)
The return of the H.265 (HEVC) codec
Improved white balance

There are additional requests, but I’ll leave it at that for now.
@viofo
@VIOFO-Support
What are your predictions or hopes for the new dashcam?
 
Last edited:
Image sensor: Sony IMX585, 1/1.2, pixel size 2.9μm, SNR1s 0.17, Starvis2
Seems unlikely, it is a bit too big for a dashcam.
Processor: CPU with performance equal to or greater than A329
The processors are always improving in performance, but the A329 currently has the best, so we will need to wait a bit for a better one.
Equipped with ClearHDR instead of conventional DOL-HDR
Maybe we could have a choice of ClearHDR or DOL-HDR, but for reading license plates, the DOL-HDR is better, so we do not want it replaced.
Supports up to four cameras (Front: 4K, Rear: 2.5K, Interior: Full HD, Telephoto: 2.5K)
That would be nice, but we need 2x interior, facing forwards and rearwards, so that we get a full 360° view, so we need 5 channels.
Bitrate remains consistent even with a four-camera setup (adding cameras doesn’t reduce the bitrate)
That would mean that if we use less channels, we are not allowed to have improved quality, even if the processor and storage are capable of it?
4K 60FPS bitrate reaches 120Mbps (when bitrate options are set to maximum)
Unrealistic at the moment, need to wait years for that!
Just having 60FPS 100Mb/s with DOL-HDR would be a big step forward.
Brighter lenses with a lower F-number
Lower f-number = less motion blur, but more blurry...
Faster shutter speed
Yes,
Improved brightness for nighttime recording (comparable to ZDR055 in the following video:
)
Higher dynamic range
We need 10bit video for more dynamic range, we are already packing in too much dynamic range for 8 bit.
Enhanced sound quality (48kHz, 192kbps); currently the sound quality is compromised and almost unbearable (16kHz, 64kbps)
We already have that on the A129 Pro 🤔
And the A329 has 48KHz, even if it is a bit low on kb/s.
The return of the H.265 (HEVC) codec
No, we want the AV1 codec, H265 is obsolete for future products.
Improved white balance
People see white balance differently, what is improved for one person is worse for another. If you want it perfect, then you need to use your video editor and do some colour grading.
What are your predictions or hopes for the new dashcam?
Which new dashcam are we talking about?

The A329S is an upgrade of the current A329 but with 3 channels, we should not expect a lot extra, although it will have some things you have not listed!

If you want upgraded processors then you must be talking about a future camera, but before they upgrade A329 again, we should expect upgrades to the WM1, VS1, A119, A139, A229, and the oldest current model, the A129 Pro... I don't think you are going to get your 4 channel A129 Pro, or VS2, you need a more realistic list for those...
 
Seems unlikely, it is a bit too big for a dashcam.

The processors are always improving in performance, but the A329 currently has the best, so we will need to wait a bit for a better one.

Maybe we could have a choice of ClearHDR or DOL-HDR, but for reading license plates, the DOL-HDR is better, so we do not want it replaced.

That would be nice, but we need 2x interior, facing forwards and rearwards, so that we get a full 360° view, so we need 5 channels.

That would mean that if we use less channels, we are not allowed to have improved quality, even if the processor and storage are capable of it?

Unrealistic at the moment, need to wait years for that!
Just having 60FPS 100Mb/s with DOL-HDR would be a big step forward.

Lower f-number = less motion blur, but more blurry...

Yes,

We need 10bit video for more dynamic range, we are already packing in too much dynamic range for 8 bit.

We already have that on the A129 Pro 🤔
And the A329 has 48KHz, even if it is a bit low on kb/s.

No, we want the AV1 codec, H265 is obsolete for future products.

People see white balance differently, what is improved for one person is worse for another. If you want it perfect, then you need to use your video editor and do some colour grading.

Which new dashcam are we talking about?

The A329S is an upgrade of the current A329 but with 3 channels, we should not expect a lot extra, although it will have some things you have not listed!

If you want upgraded processors then you must be talking about a future camera, but before they upgrade A329 again, we should expect upgrades to the WM1, VS1, A119, A139, A229, and the oldest current model, the A129 Pro... I don't think you are going to get your 4 channel A129 Pro, or VS2, you need a more realistic list for those...
I understand that everything is just a dream.

Realistically, the possible improvements are:
1.Audio enhancement
2.Image quality improvement (shutter speed stability, white balance, brightness at night)

DOL-HDR makes license plates of passing cars appear double and unreadable during the day, but at night, if the headlights illuminate them, it is possible to read the license plates of passing cars.
ClearHDR, on the other hand, provides excellent HDR visuals both during the day and at night, but at night, it becomes impossible to read the license plates of passing cars.
However, HDR technology was not originally developed for reading license plates of passing cars, so I don't think it's wise to focus too much on the accuracy of license plate reading.

Some people want to use both the in-car camera and the telephoto camera while using the rear camera.

If possible, could you tell me the audio bitrate of A329?

Regarding codecs, since there is no single option that satisfies everyone, I have decided to tolerate H.264 for now.

The white balance issue that I find problematic is the shift from correct colors to an unnatural yellow-green hue. This issue occurs on my A229Pro (latest version).

Thank you for your feedback.
 
I understand that everything is just a dream.

Realistically, the possible improvements are:
1.Audio enhancement
2.Image quality improvement (shutter speed stability, white balance, brightness at night)
Those are the important things, good evidence for insurance claims/police, and nice video/audio for road movies.

I'm sure a lot more can be done for the Audio, we seem to be stuck with a single microphone, and yet the marketing for the iPhone 16 says:
Audio recordings will sound even better on the iPhone 16 Pro models. This is because the iPhone 16 Pro models are equipped with 4 studio-quality microphones. In addition, it is also possible to record with spatial audio, which makes the sound even more realistic. The Pro models are equipped with an audio mixing tool. This allows you to easily adjust the sound of a recording afterwards. It is possible to isolate the sound of a person in the image. This is ideal, for example, when you are conducting an interview in a noisy place or when several people talk over each other during your podcast and you would like to highlight one of the voices.

I would be happy if we just moved to stereo for dashcams, the audio from the rear camera often sounds very different, with different details to the front audio, and the front audio of people speaking is often obscured by noise from the engine/wheels coming off the glass and through the dashcam mount, which a good dashcam should be removing from the recording!

Not enough people are asking for better audio, and no dashcams are really setting a high standard, none have more than one microphone, none seem to have noise canceling microphones. We need some proper competition for best dashcam audio, and people asking for the best...

Instead, the dashcam manufacturers want to sell us ADAS AI systems!

DOL-HDR makes license plates of passing cars appear double and unreadable during the day, but at night, if the headlights illuminate them, it is possible to read the license plates of passing cars.
ClearHDR, on the other hand, provides excellent HDR visuals both during the day and at night, but at night, it becomes impossible to read the license plates of passing cars.
However, HDR technology was not originally developed for reading license plates of passing cars, so I don't think it's wise to focus too much on the accuracy of license plate reading.
DOL-HDR does not need to make plates unreadable during the day, the current implementation needs improving, although the A329 is already improved a bit.

Clear-HDR does not give a double image, which is good, but it does give a blurred image, day and night, for fast movement. Excellent for movies, but not for license plate reading.

Some people want to use both the in-car camera and the telephoto camera while using the rear camera.
Yes, that requires 4 channels, so the 3 channel A329T will not be able to do that.
You can add an extra separate extra camera, the VS1 makes a nice rear camera.
I'm sure a 4 channel camera will be on Viofo's development list.

If possible, could you tell me the audio bitrate of A329?
I think it is 96Kb/s with the latest firmware, certainly 90 something. It would be nice to have it a bit higher, but it is enough for a dashcam. Having the 48KHz sample rate is a big improvement, voices are a lot clearer with a frequency range up to 16KHz, instead of only 8KHz! It now sounds better than the old A129 Pro.

Regarding codecs, since there is no single option that satisfies everyone, I have decided to tolerate H.264 for now.
H264 is quite good, H265 is not any better image quality, it just has more compression for smaller files, but most of the extra compression doesn't work for moving dashcam video, so there is not much difference when driving, only when stopped, and the compression is not needed then because we use fixed bitrates, so most of the bitrate gets wasted!

AV1 should be better when it arrives in dashcams, which might not be too far away now.

The white balance issue that I find problematic is the shift from correct colors to an unnatural yellow-green hue. This issue occurs on my A229Pro (latest version).
Yes, all video cameras have some difficulties with colour balance changes. The A229 does seem to have had more issues than other recent cameras, I don't hear so many people complaining about the A329.

It is difficult to get colour balance correct all the time, there isn't actually a correct result. The sudden changes can be annoying, but if you drive into a tunnel lit by sodium lamps, then you want a sudden adjustment. Not many sodium lamps about these days though, all lamps have changed to LED in most places, much easier for colour balance, although sometimes they flicker! I used to use a dashcam with an option for fixed colour balance, it wasn't always right, but it didn't keep shifting, seemed to work fine except when under sodium street lamps, so I'm not sure why dashcams are still having difficulties under LED lamps. Maybe we should ask for a fixed colour balance option?
 
I think it is 96Kb/s with the latest firmware, certainly 90 something. It would be nice to have it a bit higher, but it is enough for a dashcam. Having the 48KHz sample rate is a big improvement, voices are a lot clearer with a frequency range up to 16KHz, instead of only 8KHz! It now sounds better than the old A129 Pro.
I was a bit surprised that the bitrate is only 96kbps at a 48kHz sampling rate. Normally, I feel that 128kbps or 192kbps would be necessary. Otherwise, compression noise could be introduced into the audio, leading to a decline in sound quality.


I checked the sound quality on YouTube, and as expected, I found the compression noise in the audio somewhat noticeable. I feel that a higher bitrate would be needed.
 
I was a bit surprised that the bitrate is only 96kbps at a 48kHz sampling rate. Normally, I feel that 128kbps or 192kbps would be necessary. Otherwise, compression noise could be introduced into the audio, leading to a decline in sound quality.


I checked the sound quality on YouTube, and as expected, I found the compression noise in the audio somewhat noticeable. I feel that a higher bitrate would be needed.
I might have been wrong about the 96, this thread has the digits swapped and says 69Kb/s, that is too low for 48KHz!


Unfortunately I don't have one to check, but I agree that 128Kb/s is sensible. However the main issue causing "distortion" is the Auto Volume Control continuously adjusting. It is a difficult problem to solve, we need more dynamic range (compression) on the audio as well as on the video, so that the Auto Volume control can just make slow adjustments depending on the car, speed and road surface, and not affect the music.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top