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jokiin said:
that is kind of frustrating I guess, here anyone can sign up, resident or otherwise and no charge regardless of your circumstance
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Typical thailand, the situation changed weekly. No/maybe/last in line.

A friend went to register and was given his first injection in ten minutes. Late in afternoon, leftover doses, etc.

Gf gets hers Friday. May go to hospital with her and see what happens? She's a public school teacher, and they just started vaccinating the local teachers last week.

Was at immigration police 3 weeks ago, to change my address with them, and village mayor was at the house that night...and several times since then.
I'm not hiding.
 
Today Vermont announced that primary care practitioners will be authorized to administer COVID vaccinations based on new regulations passed by our legislature. Studies show that a doctor's recommendation is strongly correlated with a person's willingness to get vaccinated. It has been fascinating to watch how masterfully our state government has orchestrated the vaccine roll-out. First it was a mass vaccination program at regional hospitals, then it was local vaccine clinics around the state. Then numerous pop-up vaccine clinics at all kinds of events, stores and small local venues, even high school baseball games and this continues strategically. Now, with your family physician being able to administer the vaccine they are hoping to get the people who have resisted or who have otherwise been lazy.

We have the highest vaccination rate in the nation at about 83%. The state reported zero cases in anyone older than 70. The median age of infected individuals is 30 or less and 99% percent of them are unvaccinated. We've gone 26 days with new cases in the single digits and only 3 deaths in the month of June and the same or less is projected for July. Transmission rates are described as "very low".

I'm usually not quite so proud of my state government, on the contrary - but throughout the pandemic everyone in charge at every level has done a great job.
 
Dashmellow said:
Today Vermont announced that primary care practitioners will be authorized to administer COVID vaccinations based on new regulations passed by our legislature. Studies show that a doctor's recommendation is strongly correlated with a person's willingness to get vaccinated. It has been fascinating to watch how masterfully our state government has orchestrated the vaccine roll-out. First it was a mass vaccination program at regional hospitals, then it was local vaccine clinics around the state. Then numerous pop-up vaccine clinics at all kinds of events, stores and small local venues, even high school baseball games and this continues strategically. Now, with your family physician being able to administer the vaccine they are hoping to get the people who have resisted or who have otherwise been lazy.

We have the highest vaccination rate in the nation at about 83%. The state reported zero cases in anyone older than 70. The median age of infected individuals is 30 or less and 99% percent of them are unvaccinated. We've gone 26 days with new cases in the single digits and only 3 deaths in the month of June and the same or less is projected for July. Transmission rates are described as "very low".

I'm usually not quite so proud of my state government, on the contrary - but throughout the pandemic everyone in charge at every level has done a great job.
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with so much disastrous handing of vaccinations in various places it's nice to hear when it's actually being done well somewhere, the media seem to prefer to report on the doom and gloom so you don't always hear about the success stories
 
jokiin said:
with so much disastrous handing of vaccinations in various places it's nice to hear when it's actually being done well somewhere, the media seem to prefer to report on the doom and gloom so you don't always hear about the success stories
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That's what you get when you leave politics out of the equation. We are basically a blue state with a very popular Republican governor and a real mix of our three parties within the state government, Democrat, Republican and Progressive. When politicians here argue, it is always over which policies will be better for the state and its citizens but very few are ideologues. It's all kind of old school.
 
Asked the girlfriend to find out if I could register at the hospital when she got her first shot, tomorrow. She called her aunt, who works at the village health clinic.

She said to bring my passport over. A cute nurse wrote down my info, and I am on the waiting list for vaccine. They appeared to give me a choice of vaccines. 'anything but sInovac' please.
 
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jokiin said:
for some it's not by choice, in some places it's not easy to get still
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Yes, that applies to most places in the world, but it is not good to delay it further with Delta about.
Delta is spreading in many places that were able to control the previous variants.

jokiin said:
on that note, who here has been vaccinated already, which one did you get, and did you have any side effects?
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2 shots of Astrazeneca, slight runny nose for a couple of weeks after the first.



In UK there is a bit of a fuss caused by some places giving out 2nd doses too soon, we are supposed to wait 12 weeks, on arrival of Delta the government speeded some up to 8 weeks, but there are some places giving them out at 4 weeks and the experts are saying that they may now need to be given a 3rd dose in the autumn, applies to all vaccines.

Professor Anthony Harnden Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation - The data suggests very strongly that the longer you leave that second dose, the better longer term protection you will have. There is a sort of sweet spot from about eight weeks onwards, and we wouldn't advise anybody to really have the second dose before then.
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Maybe not good news for countries like the USA that stuck strictly to the 3 week separation caused by the vaccine makers minimising the trial durations while trying to be first to get their vaccines approved!

www.bbc.co.uk

Why you shouldn't get a second Covid jab too early

A government scientific advisor tells Newsbeat why four weeks is too soon between Covid jabs.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Dashmellow said:
That's what you get when you leave politics out of the equation. We are basically a blue state with a very popular Republican governor and a real mix of our three parties within the state government, Democrat, Republican and Progressive. When politicians here argue, it is always over which policies will be better for the state and its citizens but very few are ideologues. It's all kind of old school.
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But the USA has not left politics out of the equation:
Democrats, 86% have received at least one dose.
Republicans, 45%.
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Must apply to some extent even in Vermont?

Trump's legacy to the nation, even though he did get himself vaccinated!
 
Nigel said:
2 shots of Astrazeneca, slight runny nose for a couple of weeks after the first.
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are you someone that typically gets a flu shot for winter and is that a typical response if you do? I've never had a flu shot (never had the flu) so not something I'm really familiar with

hard to dig through all the information/misinformation, Astrazeneca was getting a lot of bad press over side effects but it would appear that many of the Pfizer side effects have been suppressed, playing field seems to have been subject to manipulation, hard to make an informed decision

Nigel said:
In UK there is a bit of a fuss caused by some places giving out 2nd doses too soon, we are supposed to wait 12 weeks, on arrival of Delta the government speeded some up to 8 weeks, but there are some places giving them out at 4 weeks and the experts are saying that they may now need to be given a 3rd dose in the autumn, applies to all vaccines.



Maybe not good news for countries like the USA that stuck strictly to the 3 week separation caused by the vaccine makers minimising the trial durations while trying to be first to get their vaccines approved!
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from what I've been able to work out from the info available it would seem that 12 weeks between shots is ideal for Astrazeneca, but 4 weeks between shots is preferred for the Pfizer, here at least they are sticking strictly to that schedule for each
 
jokiin said:
are you someone that typically gets a flu shot for winter and is that a typical response if you do? I've never had a flu shot (never had the flu) so not something I'm really familiar with
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I've never had a flu shot, I think I got the flu once many years ago, but it is not something I worry about. I do get minor cold symptoms such as a runny nose most winters but they are only a slight annoyance.

jokiin said:
hard to dig through all the information/misinformation, Astrazeneca was getting a lot of bad press over side effects but it would appear that many of the Pfizer side effects have been suppressed, playing field seems to have been subject to manipulation, hard to make an informed decision
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There are some worrying side effects with both, more with Pfizer than AZ, but the AZ has more deaths at 1 in a million. It is not clear yet what the lasting effect of the heart inflammation from Pfizer is, maybe nothing but we don't know.

Whatever, the actual virus has far worse effects and far worse death toll, so a vaccine is highly desirable, I would go towards the AZ unless you are in an at risk group such as young female, but it is not clear which is best.
 
jokiin said:
but 4 weeks between shots is preferred for the Pfizer, here at least they are sticking strictly to that schedule for each
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I think it is 8 weeks + for both.
 
Got the 2nd shot of Covaxin on the 5th. First shot and second shot, no side effects.
 
It's an inactivated virus based vaccine. 77.8% efficacy as per phase 3 trials. 65.2% against the Delta variant.
 
Harsh said:
It's an inactivated virus based vaccine. 77.8% efficacy as per phase 3 trials. 65.2% against the Delta variant.
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Rather better than the Chinese ones, might be because of the "immune-boosting adjuvant", or maybe just differences in the testing.

But the important thing is that they all seem very effective against death even if they don't stop the spread.

And most of the differences in stopping the spread may be down to the testing/data collection; in reality most of the effect is down to people's immune systems, the vaccine is only a trigger to developing immunity, and how long between doses etc. is very likely to be determined only by the immune systems, not the vaccine.
 
Nigel said:
Rather better than the Chinese ones, might be because of the "immune-boosting adjuvant", or maybe just differences in the testing.

But the important thing is that they all seem very effective against death even if they don't stop the spread.

And most of the differences in stopping the spread may be down to the testing/data collection; in reality most of the effect is down to people's immune systems, the vaccine is only a trigger to developing immunity, and how long between doses etc. is very likely to be determined only by the immune systems, not the vaccine.
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Plan on getting the antibodies test done once 15 days have passed. Hopefully it's good enough. Covishield (AZ) is showing good numbers in the people I know that got tested post their 2nd shots.
 
jokiin said:
hard to dig through all the information/misinformation, Astrazeneca was getting a lot of bad press over side effects but it would appear that many of the Pfizer side effects have been suppressed, playing field seems to have been subject to manipulation, hard to make an informed decision
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Can't easily know which is going to be best in the short or long run, but can easily know that doing nothing is the absolutely worst choice of all. And it is looking like boosters will also be wise regardless of which vaccine was used.

Much of the territory we're traversing is an unknown minefield so we shouldn't race through it headlong but we're going to have to get across it somehow. I don't have the numbers but with so many now vaccinated I think we're at the point where at least some booster production can begin and as needed we can transition to making boosters more than vaccines if there's any difference between them.

Other than the politics, I think the world has done as good as has been possible so far. Not perfect but then again nothing ever is. We've got the ball rolling in the right direction so let's keep that ball moving along 👍

Phil
 
In relation to Denmark having surplus vaccines in the millions, i am sure that even if the Aussies contacted us offering to buy them, my government would prefer to give them to even less fortunate bastards, probably ones that call us Infidels. 😏

I am so over thinking about how things work here, there seem to be no rationality to anything here.
 
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