Mother nature...

[jokiin]

Agree. The bigger issue is determining how much is the first affected by the second.

I think putting a number on it is hard, I do feel we should do what we can to reduce our impact where possible though, certainly can't hurt to use less, pollute less etc

 

[SawMaster]

Agreed above. The biggest issue is more our learning to adapt to the changes and better knowledge we gain through time, and that is something human's are not very good at doing.

Phil

 

[DT MI]

I think putting a number on it is hard, I do feel we should do what we can to reduce our impact where possible though, certainly can't hurt to use less, pollute less etc

I wasn't trying to imply that the impact should be quantified in absolute terms, as you said that's very likely not possible.

My comment was more along the line of understanding the interactions between what happens cyclically in nature (global warming, ice ages, etc.), which are going to happen with or without 'help' from mankind, and non-naturally occurring events that may or may not impact those cycles (CO2 emissions, bovine flatulence, etc.). Factor into this those non-cyclical, naturally occurring events that also impact global weather - volcanic eruptions are an example - and it gets very complicated, very quickly.

 

[Module 79L]

It does appear that 'global warming' is a bit overstated, at least as far as Portugal is concerned.

That's where you're wrong. That expression fits like a glove since 2003. And why 2003? Because until then Summer's heat waves rarely, if not never, went above 35ºC (95ºF). From that year on, those heat waves easily go above 40ºC (104ºF) and now the whole Summer, and part of the Spring, is a heat wave. It may not be global as "in the whole world" but sure is global as in "the whole country".

 

[Module 79L]

My comment was more along the line of understanding the interactions between what happens cyclically in nature (global warming, ice ages, etc.), which are going to happen with or without 'help' from mankind, and non-naturally occurring events that may or may not impact those cycles (CO2 emissions, bovine flatulence, etc.). Factor into this those non-cyclical, naturally occurring events that also impact global weather - volcanic eruptions are an example - and it gets very complicated, very quickly.

You know, according to the specialists we should be entering (if not already in) cold cycle, but what's happening is exactly the opposite. Imagine how big our "help" must have been to completely reverse the natural course of Nature.

 

[DT MI]

That's where you're wrong. That expression fits like a glove since 2003. And why 2003? Because until then Summer's heat waves rarely, if not never, went above 35ºC (95ºF). From that year on, those heat waves easily go above 40ºC (104ºF) and now the whole Summer, and part of the Spring, is a heat wave. It may not be global as "in the whole world" but sure is global as in "the whole country".

Yeah, I remember you talking about that before. My comment was intended more as a bit of a joke in reference to the picture you posted with the snow covered cars.

 

[Module 79L]

My comment was intended more as a bit of a joke in reference to the picture you posted with the snow covered cars.

I understood what you meant, I just showed the other end of the stick. Despite happening more often snowing in some places is still a freaky event.