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After this fiasco which likely resulted from a lab leak I wonder if bio weapon type research will be abandoned for the future. It is obvious that there can be no winner in bio warfare and the price is to high to even try.
I think most likely is that it resulted directly from people trading live wild mammals for food, something that should be banned for more reasons than just biosecurity. It doesn't really matter how it happened, everyone can still learn the lesson, but I doubt that the live wild mammal trade will be halted - people are too careless, or lab research into viruses - people are too curious.

There is already a ban on bio weapon research, and any countries that are ignoring that ban are likely to carry on ignoring it, even with a demonstration of how disastrous the results are likely to be! Maybe they are less likely to think that they would be able to control a bio weapon to their own benefit and the opposition's downfall, but anyone sensible already knew that was infeasible, which is why the current ban is largely agreed and respected. As you said, "It is obvious that there can be no winner in bio warfare and the price is to high to even try."

 
There is no evidence that COVID is a bio-weapon.

So well yes, technically you said "lab leak" but then you immediately speculate that "bio weapon type research will be abandoned".
I consider gain of function research to be biological weapon research. Although theoretically it is supposed to examine how to handle potential virus mutations in can result in enhanced virus escapes that harm us.

Covid technically is a biological weapon. It has biologically attacked every country on the planet. It could be a natural weapon coming from nature or a man made one. We do not know.

These articles point to genetic engineering as markers have been found that have never been seen in nature. You can decide if they are accurate or not. At a minimum these raise additional questions.



 
Knowledge is one of the best things to abuse.

Here a student just found out that the university he applied to, well they pretty much broadcast all info on every one there that a SSN will get you, all it took was 3 clicks of a mouse.
Again underlining my negative attitude towards anything digital in the hands of any public service "body" so if their info ( SSN ) wasent already leaked in other breaches, then short of 3000 new people are now prime targets for fraud in just about any form as the SSN here is a key to just about anything.

Of course the error was some inept fool changing the credentials of all the info from hidden to public.
 
I think bio weapon research was abandoned a long time ago, as a mutual agreement just like we saw in Nuclear weapons.

My view is that some countries are still building their stockpiles in secret.

I don't believe for one minute that some countries adhere to these verbal agreements.
 
I consider gain of function research to be biological weapon research. Although theoretically it is supposed to examine how to handle potential virus mutations in can result in enhanced virus escapes that harm us.

Covid technically is a biological weapon. It has biologically attacked every country on the planet. It could be a natural weapon coming from nature or a man made one. We do not know.

These articles point to genetic engineering as markers have been found that have never been seen in nature. You can decide if they are accurate or not. At a minimum these raise additional questions.

You never seem to encounter a conspiracy theory you don't immediately subscribe to. Everything you assert here is simply wild speculation without any facts or critical thinking.

It is true that there is a possibility that COVID "could" have escaped from the lab in Wuhan but there is zero evidence that COVID is a bio-weapon. For one thing, COVID and coronaviruses in general are not the type of pathogens that would ordinarily be used for a bio-weapon because they are not targetable. It’s too contagious and difficult to control to be useful as a weapon. No nation would create a bio weapon that could quickly spread all over the world including back to the country that launched the weapon.

Additionally, gain of function research is not biological weapons research. While gain of function research "could" be used in bio weapons research its everyday use in modern virology is far more benign in most circumstances. It is used in biology and virology labs as part of standard research such as learning how influenza virus might evolve to cause a future pandemic. Gain of function research that involves the modification of bacteria has allowed for the production of human insulin and other breakthrough medical treatments.

Many gain-of-function experiments could never pose an existential threat. Instead, they have provided huge benefits to humanity. All the way back in 1937, researchers found that when they passed the yellow fever virus through chicken cells, it lost the ability to cause disease in humans — a discovery that led to a vaccine for yellow fever. Likewise, using gain of function research, herpes viruses have been engineered to gain a new function of their own: attacking cancer cells. They’re now an approved treatment for melanoma.

And COVID is NOT a biological weapon! It is no more a "weapon" than cancer, influenza, measles, ebola, malaria or any other deadly natural disease found all over the world. The fact that you "believe" it to be a weapon is more indicative of the tendency you've shown on this forum to habitually indulge in conspiracy theories, and usually these are emanating from the right-wing propaganda fodder of the day. Like everything else in today's politics, it is once again the Republicans who are primarily promoting the Wuhan lab leak theory, although US intelligence agencies do not agree with this theory at this point in time.


Not a single one of these links you posted ever mentions the term "bio-weapon". The two professors are merely stating their belief that COVID was a manipulated virus but at no time do they make the leap to calling it a "bio-weapon" as you do.

Gain of function research is clearly not without risks and it has been endlessly debated and in some circumstances regulated. Here is the US at least, gain of function research for pandemics is strictly regulated and each project is reviewed before it can proceed. However you may want to characterize it, it is NOT biological weapons research as you state you believe it to be.

Meanwhile, a group of 21 prominent scientists contends that there is more evidence to support a natural spillover from animals to humans than any lab leak theory.


Framework for Guiding Funding Decisions about Proposed Research Involving Enhanced Potential Pandemic Pathogen



 
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Good news for the "mixers" out there.
Having been vaccinated with 2 different vaccines is frowned upon and not even acknowledged many places, but now a study here of the 150.000 or so that have had a first shot of the AZ vaccine that got discontinued here, and later Mo or PB, well studies indicate that those people have a 88% coverage VS none vaccinated people, which is not far from if they had gotten shot up the regular way.
Problem is if the wider medical establishment of the world will acknowledge the Danish findings.
 
Good news for the "mixers" out there.
Having been vaccinated with 2 different vaccines is frowned upon and not even acknowledged many places, but now a study here of the 150.000 or so that have had a first shot of the AZ vaccine that got discontinued here, and later Mo or PB, well studies indicate that those people have a 88% coverage VS none vaccinated people, which is not far from if they had gotten shot up the regular way.
Problem is if the wider medical establishment of the world will acknowledge the Danish findings.
Should do, the British concluded that AZ followed by PB was better than having 2x either of them, and probably covers a wider range of variants.

It probably varies a bit though, depending on which variants are about.
 
It is true that there is a possibility that COVID "could" have escaped from the lab in Wuhan but there is zero evidence that COVID is a bio-weapon. It’s too contagious and difficult to control to be useful as a weapon. No nation would create a bio weapon that could quickly spread all over the world including back to the country that launched the weapon.

gain of function research "could" be used in bio weapons research...And COVID is no more a "weapon" than cancer, influenza, measles, ebola, malaria or any other deadly natural disease found all over the world. Not a single one of these links you posted ever mentions the term "bio-weapon".
The white man knowingly infected blankets with smallpox. They then gave those blankets to the indigenous population knowing they would die in large numbers because that group had no immunity to smallpox. Smallpox was a bio-weapon before bio-weapons were engineered. Just because something is from nature does not remove it from being a bio-weapon.

A biological weapon is any biological agent that kills people. The 1918 Spanish flu functioned as a bio-weapon. The black plague was a bio-weapon. It all depends on your perspective as to what a bio-weapon is whether covid fits or not. From my perspective covid has killed a lot of people and destroyed economies therefore covid is a bio-weapon regardless of whether it is man made or if covid came from nature.

A nuclear weapon is impossible to control. Radiation will go everywhere in a global nuclear war. That lack of control does not remove nuclear fallout and nuclear disaster from the possibility of using nuclear weapons as weapons.

I look at the biological component and the results it has in determining if it is a biological weapon or not. From this perspective covid is a bio-weapon regardless of its origins.
 
Locking the thread as it is causing quite a bit of friction.
 
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