dride 4K no sound quality

[Dashmellow]

No it is quite perplexing, they also demoed footage from earlier samples, and it looked nothing like this.

Meh!

My 2K V3 looks way better than that. Sharpness, contrast, color, etc. Plus, like most every other dash cam it shows time, date, coordinates, etc. The Dride shows nothing according to your clip.

 

[Nigel]

Also the radar antenna sit right on top of the MIC, now i am no electronics engineer, but that seem unwise.

Well that will only be an issue in parking mode, since the radar should be turned off otherwise.

 

[kamkar]

No the dride dont even have their own name branded on the video.
They sure have gone above and beyond making sure they have a one off

Regarding the radar, i am not so sure its off when driving, but now that i have left it out, then the drive tomorrow should be as much noise as any drive so far.

 

[Dashmellow]

No the dride dont even have their own name branded on the video.
They sure have gone above and beyond making sure they have a one off

Regarding the radar, i am not so sure its off when driving, but now that i have left it out, then the drive tomorrow should be as much noise as any drive so far.

Well, I do like that they don't have logos plastered all over the thing or their name embedded in the videos but things like date and time are crucial pieces of evidence in dash cam videos.

 

[kamkar]

time / speed / date, things i want on my video from a dashcam.

 

[Dashmellow]

Yeah, not everyone likes to show speed, but it should certainly be an option, along with all the other GPS info. I guess I see time & date as the most critical. (This was driven home to me just yesterday when I checked footage in my 2K Mobius telephoto and discovered that the (pretty old) super-cap failed about 10 days ago and the date & time appears to have defaulted to 12/31/21. I have a spare I will pop in which is, of course, the beauty of the Mobius platform.)

 

[Nigel]

I checked footage in my 2K Mobius telephoto and discovered that the (pretty old) super-cap failed about 10 days ago

Failed from too much high temperature use?

 

[Dashmellow]

Failed from too much high temperature use?

No, old age. The supercap was an original one about 10 years old. I have yet to open the camera and examine it however, but the last time I had this happen to another older Mobius super-capacitor several years ago it appeared as normal but no longer held a charge. I'm expecting something similar as it is the same Hycap brand and vintage. In fact, the symptoms were similar. I had lost the date & time at one point but then it started working again when I gave it a charge and it lasted quite a few months before it finally failed for good. The fact that I have several Mobius cameras running on older super-caps is the reason I keep several fresh spares on hand.

 

[Dashmellow]

Failed from too much high temperature use?

Since you asked, Nigel, I thought you'd find this interesting. Maybe you have some thoughts on what's going on?

After trying three different perfectly good super-capacitor modules in my M1S camera and re-setting the camera's configuration parameters each time (it syncs the time & date settings from your computer) I still couldn't get the camera's date and time not to default to 12/31/21, the apparent date of manufacture of the SoC.

So the problem was not a bad super-cap after all.

From there, things get a little weird. I tried reformatting the 128 GB Samsung EVO select memory card I've been using for about a year and nothing changed. The card gets formatted using the disk utility on my PC to ExFat which is required for the Mobius if using a card larger than 64 GB. The camera's built-in formatting capability can only handle FAT32. When the camera's interface was first designed 128 GB cards were not compatible with the camera, nor were they widely available or affordable. This did nothing to help the problem.

Finally, I installed a brand new 128 GB SanDisk High Endurance card in the camera and now it keeps the date and time as normal. (at least so far)

There are several curious things going on here. There is nothing obvious wrong with the original Samsung EVO card. Despite not recording the correct date & time, all of the video clips and audio were recorded as normal. Aside from this, the memory card is not where the date and time is usually stored anyway. Otherwise, you couldn't just pop a fresh new memory card into the camera on the fly and be on your way.

I've never encountered this behavior before in any of the many Mobius camera models I've owned.

Nevertheless, Mobius cameras do not work like regular dash cams. For one thing, they do not have a RTC battery, instead relying on the super-capacitor to retain the date and time in the camera's memory for 7-10 days.

The camera is programed via PC using a GUI utlity called mSetup, which essentially writes a SYSCFG.TXT file to the camera. This file can be transferred to the installed memory card and then back to a PC where you can manually edit the file with any simple (ASCII) text editor and then load it back into the camera. This allows the user to change the camera's configuration without using the GUI.

It is possible that there is some sort of glitch with writing the data or holding this data in the camera's memory, except that all the other settings remain intact.

Still scratching my head here.

I've been doing a complete low level format of the original Samsung EVO card using SD Card Formatter as I'm curious to see if this affects the date and time issue but AFAIK the SYSCFG.TXT file only gets transferred to the card manually after a serious of intentional button presses.

 

[kamkar]

I have returned from the range where i like to roam some times.
Mind you the weather pulled a once over me so did not get any good weather footage, also clearly i am no way near the sweet spot.

 

[Dashmellow]

At this point, I deride the Dride.

 

[DT MI]

At this point, I deride the Dride.

G R O A N

 

[kamkar]

He he.

Friday i missed a parcel, from the here unfortunate named carrier UPS, UPS is what Danes say when they unintentional drop something.

BTW with the pending grab of more of Danes personal freedom and rights, catering to violent cultures.
Well you probably have to be careful what you deride here in the imminent future, CUZ now things here take a 180 and the police and courts that is supposed to control that turn, well they are clueless and not at all geared for the challenge dropped in their lap by utterly incompetent politicians, in a desperate attempt to calm people from the desert regions of the world.

We Danes are now at a point where the law giving assembly have turned into a law suggesting assembly and then drop that in the lap on the police and courts.
So in the future laws here, well for starters they are probably just suggestions, and for sure a mess until police and courts find out how things actually work.


Also now you dont even have to be one of the 150 or so approved religious societies here, so for instance if i feel gasoline are sacred to me,,,,,, well you sure as hell can not burn it.

 

[Dashmellow]

G R O A N

 

[Nigel]

Nigel, I thought you'd find this interesting. Maybe you have some thoughts on what's going on?

I don't see anything obvious, was going to suggest the SD Card Formatter until I got to the last paragraph, since that is the only thing to looks likely to have an effect on memory. I am wondering how it knows that the clock needs resetting to factory default, probably a function built into the SoC, but it might be worth checking the voltage on the supercap in the situation where it isn't working correctly, just for diagnostic info.

Some cards have some cache memory for temporary storage and some other specialised stuff for top level indexes, could be that some of this special storage has worn out even though the rest of the normal storage on the card is fine. I've not heard of other people having such a problem, but your use of your Mobius cameras is a little unusual. Is it only very well used cards that cause the issue even though they appear to work OK?

 

[Dashmellow]

I don't see anything obvious, was going to suggest the SD Card Formatter until I got to the last paragraph, since that is the only thing to looks likely to have an effect on memory. I am wondering how it knows that the clock needs resetting to factory default, probably a function built into the SoC, but it might be worth checking the voltage on the supercap in the situation where it isn't working correctly, just for diagnostic info.

Some cards have some cache memory for temporary storage and some other specialised stuff for top level indexes, could be that some of this special storage has worn out even though the rest of the normal storage on the card is fine. I've not heard of other people having such a problem, but your use of your Mobius cameras is a little unusual. Is it only very well used cards that cause the issue even though they appear to work OK?

Thanks for your input. Yeah, I think it may just be a tired old memory card. Usually though, when there is an issue with a bad card on the Mobius the camera lets you know. The camera will stop working and the red LED pilot light on the back of the camera will no longer slowly blink to indicate that it is recording, instead remain lit and unblinking. Then again, maybe because it still records the camera is happy with that and unable to detect any other card problems.

More than 10 years of owning more Mobius cams than I can count this is an issue I've not seen before.

BTW, it is difficult to check the voltage on a Mobius supercap without ruining it because they are modular and connect to the PCB with a tiny Molex plug. Since I believe that it is still working fine I don't want to cut the plug off. Instead, when I have some time to spare I will install it in another Mobius camera and see if I can reproduce the date & time problem. I'm also going to try the newly formatted old card in the same camera and see what happens.

 

[Nigel]

That special storage at the start of the card is odd in that it does not get involved in the deletion pool or wear leveling, it is in a fixed physical location, so it is perfectly possible to wear out specific storage locations. Tends not to happen because that bit has extra long lifespan, it is designed for the top level indexes, but if the Mobius is using a fixed location for recording the clock in order to detect when it needs a reset, it is maybe possible to get your symptoms. I don't know enough to be sure, but seems like good explanation. Cards do wear out.

If the supercap really had a voltage problem, it would probably die quite quickly since its two cells would go out of balance, so if it is difficult to measure then don't bother. I don't think that is the problem.

 

[Dashmellow]

That special storage at the start of the card is odd in that it does not get involved in the deletion pool or wear leveling, it is in a fixed physical location, so it is perfectly possible to wear out specific storage locations. Tends not to happen because that bit has extra long lifespan, it is designed for the top level indexes, but if the Mobius is using a fixed location for recording the clock in order to detect when it needs a reset, it is maybe possible to get your symptoms. I don't know enough to be sure, but seems like good explanation. Cards do wear out.

If the supercap really had a voltage problem, it would probably die quite quickly since its two cells would go out of balance, so if it is difficult to measure then don't bother. I don't think that is the problem.

Sounds like a plausible explanation but one that is exceedingly rare based on my ten year history with these cameras. In fact, I've never experienced a card failure of this nature with any device. But stranger things have happened and it's as good an explanation as any until such time as other information might come to light.

Speaking of which I'm looking forward to testing the Samsung EVO card which has now been formatted with SD Card Formatter. I'm assuming though that it re-formats the entire card including any special storage segments which if this fixes the card could mean that the "special storage at the start of the card" was merely corrupted in some way and not worn out.

Whatever happens, I will likely retire the card for dash cam use anyway out of an abundance of caution. The new 128GB SanDisk High Endurance card should provide excellent performance in the Mobius 1S.


Some Mobius M1S 2K examples with the 12 MP ƒ/1.8 - 8mm aspherical telephoto lens before I started losing the date and time.

If you can get results like this from a $66.00 2K Mobius camera with a $20 aftermarket lens on it then Dride has some 'splaining to do.




Same frame from the A119 V3 for comparison.

 

[Nigel]

If you can get results like this from a $66.00 2K Mobius camera with a $20 aftermarket lens on it then Dride has some 'splaining to do.

But the Mobius was developed for image quality, while the Deride was developed for its Cloud Sharing Button, giving real time access to your cloud camera from anywhere on Earth... I clicked on their link to "today's best videos":

Dride | Homepage

Dride is making it easy to share dashcam videos. Visit to learn more about Dride.

dride.io

Strangely, they all seem to be recorded on other types of camera

 

[Dashmellow]

But the Mobius was developed for image quality, while the Deride was developed for its Cloud Sharing Button, giving real time access to your cloud camera from anywhere on Earth.

That's absurd Nigel ! You are apparently suggesting that because the Deride was developed with cloud sharing features in mind it's OK that they have produced a very expensive camera that creates virtually unusable quality video that can't even come close the image quality of a tiny $66.00 FPV/dash cam. Even if the Mobius imaging wasn't quite as good as it is, it's a travesty.

BTW, the extraordinary video quality of the Mobius is basically the result of high quality lenses matched with outstanding programming skills and a GUI that allows for full photographic controls for any user who knows what to do with them. There's nothing special about the hardware components other than the pcb circuit design and the extremely robust build quality.