VIOFO Horizontal FOV Database

[DT MI]

First (just my opinion):
It should be AOV (angle of view), not FOV.
FOV without corresponding depth of field (DOF) is meaningless to me.
FOV should be measured in meters, feet, yards….., and with reference to respective DOV.
The AOV is measured in degrees (°) and is not dependent on distance/depth
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That's not your opinion - it's a fact!

From Gemini (just one of many resources) -

Field of View (FOV)

• Definition: The area of a scene that is visible through a lens at a given moment.
  
  
• Measurement: Expressed as a linear distance (e.g., feet, meters)
• Factors:Depends on the lens's focal length, sensor size, and the distance to the subject.

Angle of View (AOV)

• Definition: The angular extent of a scene captured by a lens.
• Measurement: Expressed in degrees (e.g., 40°, 90°)
  
  
• Factors: Primarily determined by the lens's focal length.

Key Differences

• FOV changes with distance: As you move closer or farther from a subject, the FOV changes, while the AOV remains constant for a given lens.
• FOV depends on sensor size: A wider sensor will capture a larger FOV with the same lens compared to a smaller sensor.
• AOV is a lens property: The AOV is fixed for a particular lens and doesn't change with distance or sensor size.

 

[Panzer Platform]

It should be AOV (angle of view), not FOV.

100% correct.
AOV is the correct term, FOV is incorrect.
However, I grew up hunting, and fishing before I got into cameras.
So I have been accustomed to using FOV for binoculars, spotting scopes, rifle scopes, etc.
I also use FOV because that’s what Viofo uses. Lol

 

[Panzer Platform]

That's not your opinion - it's a fact!

From Gemini (just one of many resources) -

Field of View (FOV)

• Definition: The area of a scene that is visible through a lens at a given moment.
  
  
• Measurement: Expressed as a linear distance (e.g., feet, meters)
• Factors:Depends on the lens's focal length, sensor size, and the distance to the subject.

Angle of View (AOV)

• Definition: The angular extent of a scene captured by a lens.
• Measurement: Expressed in degrees (e.g., 40°, 90°)
  
  
• Factors: Primarily determined by the lens's focal length.

Key Differences

• FOV changes with distance: As you move closer or farther from a subject, the FOV changes, while the AOV remains constant for a given lens.
• FOV depends on sensor size: A wider sensor will capture a larger FOV with the same lens compared to a smaller sensor.
• AOV is a lens property: The AOV is fixed for a particular lens and doesn't change with distance or sensor size.

Ever since @Dashmellow has been MIA for over a month it feels like you have inherited the task of keeping me in check.
I'm OK with that because I need to be kept in line. lol

 

[Nigel]

AOV is the correct term, FOV is incorrect.
However, I grew up hunting, and fishing before I got into cameras.
So I have been accustomed to using FOV for binoculars, spotting scopes, rifle scopes, etc.
I also use FOV because that’s what Viofo uses. Lol

Incorrect!

FoV just refers to what you can see, it can be measured in different ways, including as an angle (AoV), and as a distance width at a distance forward from the lens. The width is traditionally used for binocular lenses, especially military ones, the angle is traditionally used for camera lenses.

So while you can't measure AoV as a distance, you can measure FoV as an angle.

If you look up the specifications for any M12 dashcam lens, it will be given as an angle and described as FoV, which is why Viofo also use FoV.

Should it be FoV or FOV?
Or FV in the USoA?

 

[DT MI]

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I also use FOV because that’s what Viofo uses. ...

VIOFO is wrong (but I'll cut them a little slack as it could be a matter of translation from their suppliers specifications) - no different than if they said the sun rose in the west and set in the east. Echoing them just perpetuates the incorrect usage.

If you insist on using FOV instead of the correct AOV then at least use the term Angular Field of View (AFOV).

What is FOV and how does it influence your data?

Article explaining FOV, angular FOV and how to calculate both

www.princetoninstruments.com

 

[Nigel]

If you insist on using FOV instead of the correct AOV then at least use the term Angular Field of View (AFOV).

Field of view (FOV) is the maximum area of a sample that a camera can image. It is related to two things, the focal length of the lens and the sensor size.

That is not the figure that Viofo give, they give the FoV of the lens, the sensor size is not taken into account.

At the end, they explain how to calculate the FoV from the Angular FoV:

FOV=AOV(d/D). Where D is the full display image dimensions (either horizontal or vertical), and d is the target dimensions (either horizontal or vertical).

It might be helpful if PP used the term HFoV (Horizontal Field of View) so that it is clear that it is a different measurement from Viofo's figures.

 

[Panzer Platform]

VIOFO is wrong (but I'll cut them a little slack as it could be a matter of translation from their suppliers specifications) - no different than if they said the sun rose in the west and set in the east. Echoing them just perpetuates the incorrect usage.

If you insist on using FOV instead of the correct AOV then at least use the term Angular Field of View (AFOV).

This is like Round 2 of my debate with Dashmellow. lol

Post in thread 'A119 Mini 2 Test & Review PP'

Jun 6, 2023

The A119 V3 also has a narrower AOV compared to most other dash cams and it is one of the reasons I like it.

What is the difference between FOV & AOV?

• Panzer Platform

 

[Panzer Platform]

It might be helpful if PP used the term HFoV (Horizontal Field of View) so that it is clear that it is a different measurement from Viofo's figures.

I will continue to use the term that is most widely incorrectly accepted by "people of the land". lol

Nobody calls it "Hook & Loop Enclosure" they just say Velcro (Brand Name).
Nobody calls it "R-134A" they just say Freon (Brand Name).
Nobody calls it "Open End Adjustable Wrench" they just say Cresent Wrench (Brand Name).
Nobody calls it "prophylactic" they just say Magnum (Brand Name)

 

[Nigel]

I will continue to use the term that is most widely incorrectly accepted by "people of the land". lol

As long as all the figures in your list are comparable and give the reader a good idea of the differences between cameras, that is all that matters. They are useful information

 

[Panzer Platform]

The reason I chose this method is because anyone that disputes the accuracy of my data can check my measurements without any specialized equipment.
I like how you keep saying my data is incorrect, without saying it's incorrect. lol

 

[DT MI]

I will continue to use the term that is most widely incorrectly accepted by "people of the land"...

Yep, nothing adds credibility to a technical review like using incorrect terms.

 

[GPak]

That is not the figure that Viofo give, they give the FoV of the lens, the sensor size is not taken into account.

At the end, they explain how to calculate the FoV from the Angular FoV:


It might be helpful if PP used the term HFoV (Horizontal Field of View) so that it is clear that it is a different measurement from Viofo's figures.

Field of view (FOV) is the maximum area of a sample that a camera can image. It is related to two things, the focal length of the lens and the sensor size.
By this definition the lens by itself should not have any FOV due to there is no sensor yet.

Here is the web page for M12 lens, all I see is Angle Of View (76 times) and not a single FOV, I couldn't find any specific dashcam M12 lens, maybe I am missing something.
https://www.m12lenses.com/category-...erRating=&page=1&show=100&sort=3#product-grid

If we add a sensor, we can use either AOV or AFOV to measure angle.
(H/V/D can be added for clarity, but to me it's clear, it's a measurement of horizontal angle)

The terms AOV, FOV and others are used interchangeably and often incorrectly.
That's why I said "In my opinion", because I don't want to convince anyone to change their "religion".

If we measure angle, then to me it's AOV.
Field can't be measured in angles without the distance from which it is measured, if the distance is known, then it should be AFOV, as @DT MI mentioned.

 

[Nigel]

By this definition the lens by itself should not have any FOV due to there is no sensor yet.

Yes, by that definition, but lenses do have a FoV, it is a different figure to FoV as specified in that definition.

Here is the web page for M12 lens, all I see is Angle Of View (76 times) and not a single FOV, I couldn't find any specific dashcam M12 lens, maybe I am missing something.

They have calculated an AOV for your sensor, based on an assumption of your image sensor size, and since image sensors vary in size, their AOV is likely to be a little inaccurate for your camera. Seems quite helpful, but most lens websites do not do this.

as @DT MI mentioned.

If you look at the diagram on DT MI's link, it shows that FOV (if measured as an angle) and AOV are different angles, you can only calculate AOV if you have a sensor, while FOV, unlike in the above definition, can be measured without a sensor, they are different values when measuring a lens:

The terms AOV, FOV and others are used interchangeably and often incorrectly.
That's why I said "In my opinion", because I don't want to convince anyone to change their "religion".

As I said earlier, FoV can be measured as an angle or a distance, it is a correct term either way. AoV must be an angle.

The FoV given by PP is the camera FoV, not the lens FoV. It may not even be the Sensor FoV, since Viofo don't always use the full sensor area to produce the image. If you are choosing a dashcam, this is the useful value.

The FoV given by Viofo is the lens FoV, calculated without knowing the sensor size.