COVID-19 Coronavirus Thread

[DT MI]

There it is folks!

Give me liberty, and give you death!

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I'd give this a 'Like' but there's absolutely nothing to like about that mindset.

 

[Dashmellow]

I'd give this a 'Like' but there's absolutely nothing to like about that mindset.

Indeed, there is nothing to like about this mindset.

These so called "Patriots" out there demanding their "liberty" to defy stay-at-home orders, especially the ones brandishing assault rifles, are nothing more than a death cult.

The true Patriots are the ones on the front lines of battle in hospital rooms, ambulances, grocery stores and delivery vehicles.

 

[country_hick]

So what's your point with all this exactly? You seem to believe people have the right to go out and infect each other and everyone else they come into contact with during a pandemic and government has little power to protect public health.

47% of the population could not afford a $400 unexpected expense before the virus threat. By denying these people the right to work for at least 2 weeks and probably months without a replacement income the government is causing these people to become more and more desperate as their available monies are consumed by the apparently never ending quarantine. I specifically am not addressing the virus threat only the fiscal reality.

When truck drivers are desperately needed the BMV has stopped giving commercial driver tests. Those who recently finished truck driving school can not work earning money as truck drivers and therefore can not deliver desperately needed supplies. Farmers are being forced to destroy crops and milk. Is this good policy? Will we be short of food after the fall harvest?

If you (as part of the 47%) were told you could not work when you desperately needed money, could not leave your house when you are worrying about being evicted, are suffering from "spring fever" and have an angry spouse, could not afford to pay either your rent or buy food and were overly concerned about eviction and hunger, were locked up with nothing to do resulting in your frustration and anger, and you were also running out of necessary supplies (food etc.) would your focus be on the theoretical risk presented by an unseen virus that only a small percentage of people die from while other people are completely immune or would your focus be on your risk of being evicted from your home and not having food to eat? Do you realize food banks are experiencing massive increases in the number of people wanting free food? Would you deny people the right to protest the government to protect their rights or their lives?

The people have the right of protest. The rights recognized within the constitution can not be denied because of changing circumstances that might make such actions seem desirable. There were quarantines, epidemics, and a war between the states prior to this case.

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The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine, involving more pernicious consequences, was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism, but the theory of necessity on which it is based is false; for the government, within the Constitution, has all the powers granted to it, which are necessary to preserve its existence; as has been happily proved by the result of the great effort to throw off its just authority. [ <--- referring to the civil war ] ex parte Milligan, 71 US 2 - Supreme Court 1866 ​

 

[Dashmellow]

47% of the population could not afford a $400 unexpected expense before the virus threat. By denying these people the right to work for at least 2 weeks and probably months without a replacement income the government is causing these people to become more and more desperate as their available monies are consumed by the apparently never ending quarantine. I specifically am not addressing the virus threat only the fiscal reality.

When truck drivers are desperately needed the BMV has stopped giving commercial driver tests. Those who recently finished truck driving school can not work earning money as truck drivers and therefore can not deliver desperately needed supplies. Farmers are being forced to destroy crops and milk. Is this good policy? Will we be short of food after the fall harvest?

If you (as part of the 47%) were told you could not work when you desperately needed money, could not leave your house when you are worrying about being evicted, are suffering from "spring fever" and have an angry spouse, could not afford to pay either your rent or buy food and were overly concerned about eviction and hunger, were locked up with nothing to do resulting in your frustration and anger, and you were also running out of necessary supplies (food etc.) would your focus be on the theoretical risk presented by an unseen virus that only a small percentage of people die from while other people are completely immune or would your focus be on your risk of being evicted from your home and not having food to eat? Do you realize food banks are experiencing massive increases in the number of people wanting free food? Would you deny people the right to protest the government to protect their rights or their lives?

The people have the right of protest. The rights recognized within the constitution can not be denied because of changing circumstances that might make such actions seem desirable. There were quarantines, epidemics, and a war between the states prior to this case.

The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine, involving more pernicious consequences, was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism, but the theory of necessity on which it is based is false; for the government, within the Constitution, has all the powers granted to it, which are necessary to preserve its existence; as has been happily proved by the result of the great effort to throw off its just authority. [ <--- referring to the civil war ] ex parte Milligan, 71 US 2 - Supreme Court 1866

Aside from playing amateur legal scholar, quoting ex parte rulings regarding military tribunals from the Civil War era, do you have anything practical or worthwhile to offer? Obviously not. Unlike the people living paycheck to paycheck who require a public safety net you sound like an entitled "Patriot" guy sitting safely at home with too much time on your hands.

You make the remark that, "I specifically am not addressing the virus threat only the fiscal reality." Unfortunately, under the current circumstances the virus and the fiscal realities are so intertwined they simply can't be separated. That's the crux of the problem. As usual you oversimplify.

You make the remark that, "the theoretical risk presented by an unseen virus that only a small percentage of people die from". You can try to claim that only a "small percentage of people die" from COVIOD-19 but as of today nearly 56,000 Americans have died of the disease in only two and half months time! This already exceeds the number of combat deaths during all of the Vietnam War between 1955 and 1975! The death rate from seasonal flu is typically around 0.1%+ in the U.S, but the death rate from COVID-19 is 3.4% (as of March 3rd according to the WHO) And the fatality rate from coronavirus is still in a steep upward curve. Get your facts straight before making a claim that "only a small percentage of people die" from this virus.

The situation is very difficult for a great many people. Many have lost their jobs completely and some workers have no choice but to continue working while taking huge risks. All of society is being asked to make huge sacrifices for the greater good until we can get a handle on the disease and its spread.

In many cases, there is simply no choice. Tyson Foods has just shuttered yet another meat processing facility due to the number of coronavirus cases, labor absenteeism from fearful workers, the need for testing and improved sanitary measures and community concerns. Ignoring the situation and keeping the production lines open will only guarantee a far worse outcome. Nobody wants this but the situation dictates the actions that are required. We risk our food supply if the plants remain open with no safety measures in place.

People do have a right to protest but there are reasonable and intelligent ways to go about it and ways not to in the midst of an extreme nationwide health emergency. Crowding into groups publicly brandishing assault weapons with extended magazines is NOT an appropriate way to protest. Spamming dick pics and Hitler memes certainly isn't. Attending crowded church services during stay-at-home/stay safe orders when most religious leaders are wisely conducting services online is NOT the way to protest. All this does is selfishly exacerbate the situation by spreading the very infection the rest of society is desperately trying to bring under control. Of course, ignorant, entitled, selfish people yell, "But I have a right to protest!". Suicidal and potentially homicidal mass behavior is clearly not the kind of civic protest our founders had in mind.

And then there is the fact that ALL of these protests have been incited and manipulated by the wealthy, special interest, dark money enabled, right wing propaganda outlets you are so enamored with. These protests are cynically designed as a wedge issue for political purposes by Republican operatives primarily in states with Democratic governors. Literally ALL these protests are fueled by far right anti-government and anti-vaccination groups who are so easily manipulated by online propaganda, and so there's that aspect you conveniently ignore. And then we have President Trump. Unlike every other President in our history who has put politics aside and made an effort to unify the country and protect the population during a time of national crisis, Trump goes all out in the opposite direction. He encourages these protests for his personal political gain by tweeting, "LIBERATE MINNESOTA!", "LIBERATE MICHIGAN!", "LIBERATE VIRGINIA", all states with Democratic governors. And, like the other political operatives trying to incite these protests he is encouraging people to risk their health and the health and safety of everyone around them and he cynically does so from a safe and secure location. You certainly won't see Trump or any of his right wing billionaires apparatchiks and enablers out there among the people protesting.

And finally, you ignore the fact that ALL of these emergency stay-at-home directives are TEMPORARY. Literally nobody, including and especially our elected leaders wants to keep these measures in place a moment longer than is necessary. These measures are in place for the purpose of slowing down a fast moving deadly disease to protect lives, keep hospitals from becoming over whelmed, to prevent mass infections occurring in churches, sports stadiums, music and theater venues and workplaces and to get the nation up to speed with the tools and measures to deal with a situation that is likely to be with us for some time to come.

When these measures achieve their goals, as they appear to be accomplishing, then and only then will we be able to begin restarting the economy. And this appears to already be happening as we speak. It has been said the shutting down the economy is like putting a patient in an induced coma and then slowly bringing the patient out of the coma as healing takes place. And like bringing the patient out of an induced coma it must be done scientifically, rationally, with data and observation. Political calculations should pay no role in this.

So, your entire, entitled, "Patriot" argument is completely baseless and frankly, inappropriate. You come across as just another cog in a right wing political movement who is basing your entire argument on amateur legal "scholarship" few if any facts on the ground and a complete lack of civic duty.

As I mentioned earlier, the true Patriots in this country are not the ones protesting at state capitals brandishing high powered semi-automatic weapons but the ones with all hands on deck, sacrificing, risking their lives and doing everything in their power to be of service to their nation and fellow citizens. You are not among them.

 

[kamkar]

I am sure a lot more would die, if we just leaned back and pretended nothing happened, and sure in the great perspective if a million died here and there it would not matter much with 7 billion of us.
And i assume that's okay too, i would personally be careful, cuz while i dont mind to go out in flames, i would prefer that to be from a hailstorm of tracer ammo and not a fever.
otherwise no Valhalla for this guy.

Thankfully this is one of the things where we as individuals have a say, so you can run out and lick banisters / railings and toilet seats to get it and be done with it ( if you survive ) or you can play cowboys and Indians and hold down the fort.
Either way you choose, karma might have a curve ball with your name on it.

You also have to take into account, even if by some miracle your country got passed by this, then every other country you export to did not and they have other things to think about than importing most of what your country have to offer.
And dont get me wrong i would like to see the Americans and others too recover from this like ( snap finger ) cuz they are the main export markets of my country, so without those guys we Danes are screwed too.
We cant have every one punch in and make stuff for the local market, that would flood in not time, and then you are in the same place where you can sell your product at cost or even less than that, or you can just pour it down the sewer.
And yes it is gut wrenching to see a person burn or throw out his product, that's pretty much the direct opposite of what we all are taught / know about how the world works, you make something and you trade or sell it for something else.

 

[Nigel]

Suicidal and potentially homicidal mass behavior is clearly not the kind of civic protest our founders had in mind.

I wonder what your founders would make of the USA today, and what changes would they make to their historical decisions having seen the future. We don't see these "Suicidal and potentially homicidal mass behavior" protests in any other country around the world! Have you got things right, or has everyone else? Maybe this is the time to learn some lessons and make some changes, your founders can not be expected to have got everything right, they had no idea what life would be like today, or that people would still be quoting their words on internet forums!

Thankfully this is one of the things where we as individuals have a say, so you can run out and lick banisters / railings and toilet seats to get it and be done with it ( if you survive ) or you can play cowboys and Indians and hold down the fort.

Although you may have the ability to run out and lick the toilet seats, I don't expect it would be considered acceptable by most of the Danish population, you do have a responsibility to society.

Although in Denmark you could do with speeding the epidemic up a bit, it was only about two weeks ago that the UK overtook you, now you are about a month behind, if you slow down much more then you won't be finished by Christmas!

 

[country_hick]

the death rate from COVID-19 is 3.4% Get your facts straight before making a claim that "only a small percentage of people die" from this virus. When the chance of succeeding is 96.6% people make investments. 3.4% out of 100% is a small percentage. Any death is one to many.

People do have a right to protest but there are reasonable and intelligent ways to go about it and ways not to in the midst of an extreme nationwide health emergency. Protests and the protesters are seldom 100% reasonable and intelligent. Protesters are usually frustrated people who have been told no and want a chance to be heard, understood, and respected.

And finally, you ignore the fact that ALL of these emergency stay-at-home directives are TEMPORARY. No one should think this situation is permanent. The executive order here will last a minimum of 6 weeks. The virus the order is trying to defeat could be around for several months (maybe several years like the 1918 spanish flu). The exec order has already been extended and could be extended again and again. If the original order when given had not included any exceptions the need for the order might have ended in 14 days along with the virus threat.

 

[Dashmellow]

I wonder what your founders would make of the USA today, and what changes would they make to their historical decisions having seen the future. We don't see these "Suicidal and potentially homicidal mass behavior" protests in any other country around the world! Have you got things right, or has everyone else? Maybe this is the time to learn some lessons and make some changes, your founders can not be expected to have got everything right, they had no idea what life would be like today, or that people would still be quoting their words on internet forums!

That's a very good question but of course, one for which there is no real answer. As a gun owner, outdoorsman, hunter, former competitive rifle marksmen and current trap & skeet shooter I'm quite sure that if the founders had seen the future of high powered, high capacity military assault weapons, high power, high capacity semi-automatic pistols with 19 round magazines, mechanized modern warfare including the rise of lethal air power, they would surely have written our second amendment very differently, if they would have written one at all.

 

[country_hick]

I wonder what your founders would make of the USA today, and what changes would they make to their historical decisions having seen the future.

Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
He that’s secure is not safe. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

The founders would not change those things that would remove liberty and freedom including the right to protest or to engage in free speech. Safety was far less important to the founders than liberty was. Were it otherwise they would not have been willing to get shot at by British troops.

 

[Nigel]

I'm quite sure that if the founders had seen the future of high powered, high capacity military assault weapons, high power, high capacity semi-automatic pistols with 19 round magazines, mechanized modern warfare including the rise of lethal air power, they would surely have written our second amendment very differently, if they would have written one at all.

As in

And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;

 

[country_hick]

I'm quite sure that if the founders had seen the future of high powered, high capacity military assault weapons, high power, high capacity semi-automatic pistols with 19 round magazines, mechanized modern warfare including the rise of lethal air power, they would surely have written our second amendment very differently, if they would have written one at all.

The founders were no doubt aware of the fairly quiet smokeless repeating rifle that held 20 or 22 rounds that was used by one countries military when the 2nd amendment was written and adopted. They were also no doubt aware of what is the flintlock version of a machine gun (although really more of an oversized revolver) that existed at that time. The founders could see the possibilities and wrote the right to bear arms shall not be infringed because the best possible arms are needed by the people to remove tyrants.

 

[kamkar]

speeding the epidemic up a bit

Good thing All IKEA warehouses opened today then,,,,,, though some in power are not all too happy about it.
On the other hand the oldest book store in the country ( 126 years old ) have filed for bancrupsy today, as most of their stores are in shopping centers which can not open.

 

[Dashmellow]

When the chance of succeeding is 96.6% people make investments. 3.4% out of 100% is a small percentage. Any death is one to many.

Once again, we are witness to your fabulous intellect at work. You seem entirely ignorant of the fact that a 3.4% death rate from COVID-19 vs a .1% death rate from influenza (currently projected at 24,000 – 62,000 for 2019-2020 in the US) will mean many, many hundreds of thousands of additional lives will be lost. You and your fellow protester types might feel entitled to make such an unwise investment but most of the rest of the population does not.

No one should think this situation is permanent. The executive order here will last a minimum of 6 weeks. The virus the order is trying to defeat could be around for several months (maybe several years like the 1918 spanish flu). The exec order has already been extended and could be extended again and again. If the original order when given had not included any exceptions the need for the order might have ended in 14 days along with the virus threat.

You and your reactionary cohorts act as if the "executive order" you are referring to is some kind of marshal law when in most states (like Vermont for example) the "Stay Home, Stay Safe" order was issued as a voluntary compliance. The vast majority of citizens have willingly and voluntarily observed the guidelines with excellent results. The result is that we have exceed the "best case" modeling projections and now we are beginning to open up our businesses sooner than expected. There is an understanding that everything is in a state of flux and that social distancing will have to continue as needed for the foreseeable future and that any further stricter "Stay Home, Stay Safe" guidance will need to be observed if and when it is necessary.

That is how a functional society works during an emergency.

Knee-jerk "Patriot" reactionaries like you only hinder the function of a participatory democracy and will certainly cause unnecessary deaths, burdens on hospitals, unnecessary expenses and longer periods of lock-down. You and you "entitled" cohorts are
about as selfish and destructive as anybody can get considering the situation we all find ourselves in.

The founders were no doubt aware of the fairly quiet smokeless repeating rifle that held 20 or 22 rounds that was used by one countries military when the 2nd amendment was written and adopted. They were also no doubt aware of what is the flintlock version of a machine gun that existed at that time. The founders could see the possibilities and wrote the right to bear arms shall not be infringed because the best possible arms are needed by the people to remove tyrants.

You live in an absurd fantasy world if you really think you and your handful of "Patriot" cohorts are going to be capable of "removing tyrants" because you have access to assault rifles.

 

[Dashmellow]

As in

And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;

The Star Spangled Banner was not written until 1814 during the War of 1812 and didn't become the official national anthem until 1931. The founders had nothing to do with it.

 

[Nigel]

On the other hand the oldest book store in the country ( 126 years old ) have filed for bancrupsy today, as most of their stores are in shopping centers which can not open.

They should have asked Amazon for some help!

Amazon revealed as mystery £250,000 donor to UK bookshops

Fundraiser for retailers facing hardship during the coronavirus pandemic reveals that benefactor is internet giant widely blamed for trade’s decline

www.theguardian.com

Hope these problems get sorted out in liquidation or whatever, it should be possible to sort most of them, and sometimes a bit of change is good.

 

[country_hick]

You seem entirely ignorant of the fact that a 3.4% death rate from COVID-19 vs a .1% death rate from influenza

You and your reactionary cohorts act as if the "executive order" you are referring to is some kind of marshal law when in most states (like Vermont for example) the "Stay Home, Stay Safe" order was issued as a voluntary compliance.

You live in an absurd fantasy world if you really think you are your handful of "Patriot" cohorts are going to be capable of "removing tyrants" because you have access to assault rifles.

1. When the percentage of people without symptoms that had antibodies are included in the calculations the death rate drops dramatically. 01% is a small percentage like 3.6% is small. 25% is a sizable percentage. P.S. Why would I expect to survive? I have extra risk factors against me.

2. In this state the governor issued an order removing people's liberty and rights instead of making a request. Is that declaring martial law? No one objects to a request being made.

3. Look at the Phillipines during WW2. Poorly armed men using mostly rifles engaged in gorilla warfare. They kept their enemy from completely securing that island. Gorilla warfare does not require tanks, airplanes, and missiles. It requires tactics with harassing fire.

4. I saw where one man on a military post was asked if he wanted to be issued a rifle. His response was no, if I need one there will be plenty lying around. Once gorillas or any soldiers win a few skirmishes they can get the weapons their dead enemies came with. In combat it is not unusual for soldiers to use a dead enemies (or friends) weapons and amunitions offensively when he runs out of the ammunition needed for his rifle or if he needs to use that machine gun. If removing tyrants in the USA ever needs to happen I might watch it happen on the news. One modern hand held missile can take out a tank or a plane. All that is needed to get control of those missiles is to remove the troops carrying them by using small arms fire and perhaps hand grenades or molotov cocctails.

The Star Spangled Banner was not written until 1814

The same military equipment was in use in 1776. The equipment used rockets etc. were well known to the founders.

 

[kamkar]

If i somehow got ahead on the finances and was able to buy / build a little house, a library would be high on my list, maybe combined with my mancave.
Reading books are cool, and i am way behind on that account.

 

[Dashmellow]

1. When the percentage of people without symptoms that had antibodies are included in the calculations the death rate drops dramatically. 01% is a small percentage like 3.6% is small. 25% is a sizable percentage. P.S. Why would I expect to survive? I have extra risk factors against me.


2. In this state the governor issued an order removing people's liberty and rights instead of making a request. Is that declaring martial law? No one objects to a request being made.

3. Look at the Phillipines during WW2. Poorly armed men using mostly rifles engaged in gorilla warfare. They kept their enemy from completely securing that island. Gorilla warfare does not require tanks, airplanes, and missiles. It requires tactics with harassing fire.

4. I saw where one man on a military post was asked if he wanted to be issued a rifle. His response was no, if I need one there will be plenty lying around. Once gorillas or any soldiers win a few skirmishes they can get the weapons their dead enemies came with. In combat it is not unusual for soldiers to use a dead enemies (or friends) weapons and amunitions offensively when he runs out of the ammunition needed for his rifle or if he needs to use that machine gun. If removing tyrants in the USA ever needs to happen I might watch it happen on the news. One modern hand held missile can take out a tank or a plane. All that is needed to get control of those missiles is to remove the troops carrying them by using small arms fire and perhaps hand grenades or molotov cocctails.


The same military equipment was in use in 1776. The equipment used rockets etc. were well known to the founders.

If you think a 3.6% death rate from an infectious disease like COVID-19 is a small percentage compared to .01% from influenza you are woefully ignorant of what those numbers mean, especially since it is not even known just yet what kind of immunity COVID antibodies provide and the fact that most of the population doesn't yet have them.

And now, you're advocating armed insurrection and gorilla warfare against your own state government for imposing a stay at home directive during a national health emergency? You sound more and more daft and irrational and worthy of a visit from the FBI the more you talk like this. It's quite remarkable really. Your governor mandated a stay at order in the face of an exploding pandemic that began on April 2nd and ends on April 30th but you are calling for responding with amateur military force? I'm sorry man, but you sound completely idiotic at this point.

Here is the way you governor presented the lock down:

“We are in the midst of one of the greatest public health crises this world has seen in more than a century. This virus will continue to sicken people across our state; our cases will only grow, and more people will die. I say this to be direct, to be as honest with you as I can. Because saving lives will depend on us,” said Governor Mills. “I implore you – look to yourself, your family, your friends, your loved ones, your neighbors on the front lines, first responders and health care workers fighting the virus, those who can’t stay home; the children who live around the corner, the farmer who grows your food, the grocer and the pharmacist who sell you goods, the teachers who are missing their kids; the fisherman, the sailor, the truck driver, the janitor, the waitress at your favorite diner; these are the people you are protecting by staying home. This is who you are saving.”....."It is the Governor’s hope that compliance will be voluntary, and that formal enforcement will not be necessary."

But no, not self centered, selfish, entitled, patriotically challenged little you. You want an armed revolution where you think you can take out a tank or a plane with a weapon you intend to seize from our own soldiers after you "remove the troops with small arms fire". Because you think your rights have been violated? Well, you'd better do it before April 30th or you'll lose your chance.

And so now you're trying to equate woefully inaccurate primitive 19th century rockets which only were effective when fired in vast numbers with modern high tech weaponry and modern high powered rifles? Or jet fighter planes or attack helicopters? And computerized, precision guided missiles. And somehow, according to you the founders back in 1776 foresaw all this and that is allegedly why they wrote the second amendment the way they did?

BTW, not until the Congreve rocket was devised in 1804 was there a viable military rocket available. The founders had no knowledge of this technology at the time they wrote the founding documents.

 

[kamkar]

The Spanish fly ran for 36 months ( of people doing nothing but pray mostly ) it is said about 500 million was infected, and it is said to have killed between 17 and 50 million, though some estimate much more than that.
So the little over 3 million confirmed world wide and a death toll of just 210.000 people are indeed piece of cake compared to the Spanish flu, but this time the world are also doing stuff, and have better treatment than just putting people in a iron lounge and hope for the best.

I am not saying that corona are as deadly as the Spanish flu, just as no one can say for sure it is not, i just prefer to err on the side of caution with a thing like this.
But it do suck immensely, not least if this cause or are followed by yet another financial collapse, as these IT or housing bubbles aside seem to come pretty regular too.

So on the other side of corona maybe we should ask our leaders for more due diligence on this subject, and maybe throttle down on due diligence in respect to the red menace and their ever present hunger for world domination.
Some will probably at one time say this was a tailored plague released by the Chinese, as someone already said it was the same just Americans, which both are just stupid on the level of sawing thru the branch you are sitting on.

So i sincerely doubt anyone have done this on purpose, or even by accident, though labs around the world have and are messing with some very nasty stuff.

PS. I think the Danish capitol was the first capitol to be bombarded with rockets from a navy ( Damn English ) just as what is now Denmark again was the first to be bombed by planes fron a aircraft carrier ( again those pesky English but this time it was at least a German zeppelin hangar in southern Jutland that was the target )

 

[country_hick]

If you think a 3.6% death rate from an infectious disease like COVID-19 is a small percentage compared to .01% I never compared the 2. You did. I simply said 3.6% is not a high percentage of 100%. Do you have some kind of cognitive problem?

And now, you're advocating armed insurrection and gorilla warfare... I am not advocating that. I am not in favor of that. I never said that. I only said the people need to keep their rights so they can protect themselves against the government if it becomes necessary. But if it ever becomes necessary people will need to use their arms just like they did in 1776. We already have the path for future citizen against a corrupt government set up for us. The founders pleaded multiple times to get the king or parliament using their right of petition asking for redress. Only after that government refused to protect the people in the colonies did the declaration of independence get written. Even then the colonists were not wanting to fight but were willing to if it was necessary.

And so now you're trying to equate... I will take some of what you have been smoking the next time I need to lose my mind and read things that are not written (which will be never). The greeks used greek fire in warfare. In the middle ages boiling oil was poured on enemies climbing up or near castle walls. Cannons did similar damage. A Trebechet was used to throw fireballs. The founders knew well how fire could be applied in warfare even if those exact rockets did not yet exist (bot rockets had existed for 6 centuries). The chinese used rockets in the 1100's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rockets The use of rockets in wars was revived with the creation of iron-cased rockets, known as Mysorean rockets, which was developed in Indian Kingdom of Mysore during the mid 18th century,[1][2] and were later copied by the British. The later models and improvements were known as the Congreve rocket and used in the Napoleonic Wars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysorean_rockets
There was a regular rocket corps in the Mysore Army, beginning with about 1,200 men in Hyder Ali's time. Colonel William Baillie's ammunition stores are thought to have been detonated by a hit from one of Hyder Ali's rockets at the Battle of Pollilur (1780) during the Second Anglo-Mysore War, which contributed to a humiliating British defeat.[2]

The U.S. Constitution was drafted in 1787. The use of rockets was well known by then.

Do you agree with the following statement?

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.