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kamkar1 said:
A smokeable cure, that would just make some happy, but probably not a bad idea, vegans and maybe even anti-vaxxers might be on board with that.
On the other hand the Anti GMO people will probably hate it.

I still think cigarettes should be renamed deathsticks
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There is talk of some of the vaccines being inhalable, to prevent a throat/lung infection that is the best way of giving the vaccine, however most of the vaccines are aimed at preventing the deaths rather than the cold, and for that it will be an injection. So the important proteins will be extracted from the tobacco leaves to turn them into the vaccine. The advantage of growing it in tobacco is that it can be mass produced easily, no need for jokiin's eggs.
 
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yeah.
even if i lost one, i am not sure i wanted a new ear grown on the ass of a mouse.
 
Nigel said:
"UK aims to roll out coronavirus vaccine for 30 million Britons by September"

The U.K. could roll out 30 million doses of a Covid-19 vaccine as early as September, according to the British government.

In an announcement on Sunday, the government said the U.K. would be the first country to be given access to a vaccine being developed at Oxford University, should it prove successful in clinical trials."
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Confidence?? Obviously, more like wishful thinking. :rolleyes:

"could roll out 30 million doses of a Covid-19 vaccine"......"should it prove successful"

According to the WHO "More than 70 COVID-19 vaccines are currently being developed"......."all of which are at various different stages as the race to defeat the virus starts to takes shape."

The Jenner Institute and Oxford Vaccine Group's efforts seem promising but in order to produce millions of doses of their vaccine, "should it prove successful in clinical trials" they've had to partner with AstraZeneca Corporation to manufacture and distribute the COVID-19 vaccine. The chances of a major pharmaceutical corporation conducting proper, medically acceptable clinical and safety trials and then manufacturing and distributing 30 million doses by September is next to zero.

We all hope see one or more of the many pharmaceutical companies, biotechnology companies, institutes and universities working on vaccines, and coronaviris treatments achieve great and swift success but empty boasting about "Confidence!" when you haven't even yet entered into clinical trials of a process that takes 18 months at a MINIMUM lacks all credibility.

 
Dashmellow said:
when you haven't even yet entered into clinical trials of a process that takes 18 months at a MINIMUM lacks all credibility.
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Rubbish, it has already been proven to 100% work in monkeys (with a rather small number of test subjects), and then it entered human trials a month ago, so initial results of that will now be visible to those collecting/processing the data, although initial human test results will not be published for a few more weeks. The next stage in the trials/approval process has already been prepared and is ready to go as soon as approval is reached to continue on from the current stage.

30 million doses should do for everyone in the UK who isn't already immune, then we can start sharing it out to our friends, presumably not the country that was trying to buy up exclusive rights to vaccines and which decided not to join in funding the WHO and global coalition on developing a covid-19 vaccine!

"by September" may be a bit optimistic, "for September" sounds more likely!
 
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Dashmellow said:
AstraZeneca
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Why did you embolden AstraZeneca?

Of course we would team up with a manufacturer, how else would we get it made? And a British-Swedish one seems a good choice when an American one might have all the doses confiscated by Trump!

Of course choosing one headquartered in Cambridge might be a conflict with the vaccine coming from Oxford, but they didn't have the boat race this year, so it is a year of peace between the two universities!
 
Nigel said:
Rubbish, it has already been proven to 100% work in monkeys (with a rather small number of test subjects), and then it entered human trials a month ago, so initial results of that will now be visible to those collecting/processing the data, although initial human test results will not be published for a few more weeks. The next stage in the trials/approval process has already been prepared and is ready to go as soon as approval is reached to continue on from the current stage.

30 million doses should do for everyone in the UK who isn't already immune, then we can start sharing it out to our friends, presumably not the country that was trying to buy up exclusive rights to vaccines and which decided not to join in funding the WHO and global coalition on developing a covid-19 vaccine!

"by September" may be a bit optimistic, for September sounds more likely!
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Monkeys? Monkeys have been shown not to develop the most severe symptoms that SARS-CoV-2 causes in humans. :LOL: Good luck with the trails...

I do hope the vaccine works but your overconfidence and boasting about British prowess is as always empty and laughable. Your constant USA bashing is, as always, seriously out of line even considering the poor behavior of our current administration. Certainly, your current government has absolutely nothing to be too proud of in its incompetent handling of the pandemic crisis. 34,796 UK dead so far, trailing only the USA in deaths and far exceeding the US per capita mortality.
 
Dashmellow said:
Monkeys have been shown not to develop the most severe symptoms that SARS-CoV-2 causes in humans.
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Doesn't matter as long as they became immune, which they did, while the control group didn't.
 
Nigel said:
Why did you embolden AstraZeneca?

Of course we would team up with a manufacturer, how else would we get it made? And a British-Swedish one seems a good choice when an American one might have all the doses confiscated by Trump!

Of course choosing one headquartered in Cambridge might be a conflict with the vaccine coming from Oxford, but they didn't have the boat race this year, so it is a year of peace between the two universities!
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AstraZeneca, the British Swiss multinational accussed of fraud, misrepresentation and price fixing on multiple occasions. That AstraZeneca?
 
Dashmellow said:
AstraZeneca, the British Swiss multinational accussed of fraud, misrepresentation and price fixing on multiple occasions. That AstraZeneca?
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No, that was Astra USA, this is the British-Swedish (not Swiss) company.
 
Nigel said:
Doesn't matter as long as they became immune, which they did, while the control group didn't.
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Let's see how the trials go. I recall all the hype surrounding an immanent vaccine for HIV going back to the 1980 and 1990s. We still don't have a vaccine. It took many years and we finally got effective treatments despite not having a vaccine and many prominent virologists suggest it may be the same for COVID-19. There has yet to be a viable coronavirus vaccination.
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No, that was Astra USA, this is the British-Swedish (not Swiss) company.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AstraZeneca#Controversies
 
Nigel said:
Doesn't matter as long as they became immune, which they did, while the control group didn't.
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Let's see how the trials go. I recall all the hype surrounding an immanent vaccine for HIV going back to the 1980s and 1990s. We still don't have a vaccine. It took many years and we finally got effective treatments despite not having a vaccine and many prominent virologists suggest it may be the same for COVID-19. There has yet to be a viable coronavirus vaccination.
 
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Dashmellow said:
There has yet to be a viable coronavirus vaccination.
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There still isn't, this will not cure the common cold, only stop people dying from it!
 
Dashmellow said:
It is not a common cold! There was MERS and SARS. Attempts were made to create a MERS vaccine but it never came to fruition.
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The Oxford vaccine is an adaptation of their MERS vaccine, which never completed trails because they ran out of infections, partly because the vaccine helped to wipe out the virus before the trails were completed!

Some of the common cold viruses are coronaviruses, the term "common cold" refers to the symptoms, not the cause, so this is a common cold virus.
 
Nigel said:
The Oxford vaccine is an adaptation of their MERS vaccine, which never completed trails because they ran out of infections, partly because the vaccine helped to wipe out the virus before the trails were completed!

Some of the common cold viruses are coronaviruses, the term "common cold" refers to the symptoms, not the cause, so this is a common cold virus.
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"the term "common cold" refers to the "symptoms", "so this is a common cold virus just because colds are sometimes caused by a virus in the same family"?

Based on the numerous COVID symptoms people are experiencing and dying from this is seriously twisted a priori logic.

Aside from all the unusual non-cold like symptoms that are manifesting in COVID patients including, of course, very high mortality rates, 120 145 children in New York State now testing positive for COVID-19 have been diagnosed with "Multi-System Inflammatory Syndrome in Children" designated formally as (MIS-C). Symptoms include persistent high fever, irritability or sluggishness, abdominal pain, diarrhea, vomiting, rash, conjunctivitis, swollen stomach, extremely enlarged lymph nodes, low blood pressure, rashes, red eyes, stomach upset, and inflammation of the heart and its arteries, red cracked lips or red tongue, swollen hands and feet and sometime death! Reports of new cases in children are coming in from other locations around the world. It appears that at first doctors didn't even know what they were dealing with and so were not realizing it was a manifestation of COVID-19.

And according to you, this is just a "common cold virus'? o_O Previously you even stated that with COVID-19 "the virus can't get into the children's bodies, only infect their throat/lungs".
 
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In a week or two all Danes can go and get tested for the virus, and i think its both the virus and antibodies test.
But for now young people 18 - 25 have the right of way, but when they are done for it become a free for all.

They must up something cuz so far we have only managed to test 16.000 in one day, yesterday was just 5000 or so tested.
My municipality are only at 4704 in 100.000 tested, there is 98.000 people in Randers municipality and the density is 130 inhabitants for each SqKM, total area are 748,2 km²
The town of Randers have about 63.000 people living in it.

Theoretical test limit in Denmark now should be 45.000 Daily.
 
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No matter who develops the vaccine and where, normal clinical trials take from 12 to 18 months minimum, and that cannot be sped up. It takes that long to be reasonably sure that the drug in question is not producing slow adverse side-effects versus ones quickly discovered. If a problem is found it will take longer than this, especially if the problem involves the basic components of the drug, and there's usually something found with every new drug which requires changes that might mean restarting the whole process from new. Testing the drug for effaciousness is actually secondary to this safety testing. To attempt to go any faster risks both that the drug will harm large masses of people as well as risking that it might not work as expected either.

Us older folks may remember the DES babies, who were born with deformities including missing limbs. DES had been thought safe, but it was only when 9+ months had passed in pregnant women that the problem began appearing at birth, and it took some time after that to discover the pattern and identify the problem. So in short, anyone who tells you that a positively safe vaccine can be developed in less than 9 months is as fcku'ed up as a football bat, and that's putting it mildly. Unfortunately we've got plenty of those kinds in positions they should have never been allowed to occupy.

This is something which simply cannot be rushed without placing an entire generation of people world-wide at risk. And if it turns out that the vaccine causes genetic problems it could even go as far as nearly wiping out the entire human race. Somehow I think that might just have a slightly adverse effect on the world-wide economy as it effectively erased it completely. Not to mention the field day the 'anti-vaxxers' would have with such a fiasco...

Phil
 
SawMaster said:
No matter who develops the vaccine and where, normal clinical trials take from 12 to 18 months minimum, and that cannot be sped up.

Phil
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In short, by the time a vaccine is available (if it ever is) the virus will have either infected everyone possible making the vaccine pointless as everyone is either immune or dead or by that time the virus will have gone extinct.
 
country_hick said:
In short, by the time a vaccine is available (if it ever is) the virus will have either infected everyone possible making the vaccine pointless as everyone is either immune or dead or by that time the virus will have gone extinct.
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can happen that they take so long that they're no longer needed, time will tell I guess
 
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