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There may not be many extra deaths based on covid per John Hopkins.

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A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19

According to new data, the U.S. currently ranks first in total COVID-19 cases, new cases per day and deaths. Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the...
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UPDATED: Johns Hopkins Retracts Article Saying COVID-19 Has 'Relatively No Effect on Deaths' in U.S.

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Johns Hopkins Study Mysteriously Disappears after it Revealed, In Spite of COVID, No More Deaths in 2020 Than In Prior Years | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

Johns Hopkins University keeps a tracker of covid cases around the world and the US. This site is used to scare people into staying in their homes and shut off from the real world. So when a study from Johns Hopkins comes out, showing no increase in deaths in 2020 related to prior years, the...
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country_hick said:
There may not be many extra deaths based on covid per John Hopkins.
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You just need to look at the excess deaths chart to see that the study was incorrect!
The explanation for it being removed is that it was incorrect.

Excess deaths in the USA show similar increases for all ages, including the elderly that she said were not dying, in total about 16% excess for the year up until last month, and is probably going to increase a bit before the end of the year:

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Excess mortality: Deaths from all causes compared to average over previous years, by age

The percentage difference between the reported number of weekly or monthly deaths in 2020–2024 — broken down by age group — and the average number of deaths in the same period over the years 2015–2019.
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country_hick said:
There may not be many extra deaths based on covid per John Hopkins.

web.archive.org

A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19

According to new data, the U.S. currently ranks first in total COVID-19 cases, new cases per day and deaths. Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the...
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pjmedia.com

UPDATED: Johns Hopkins Retracts Article Saying COVID-19 Has 'Relatively No Effect on Deaths' in U.S.

pjmedia.com pjmedia.com

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Johns Hopkins Study Mysteriously Disappears after it Revealed, In Spite of COVID, No More Deaths in 2020 Than In Prior Years | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

Johns Hopkins University keeps a tracker of covid cases around the world and the US. This site is used to scare people into staying in their homes and shut off from the real world. So when a study from Johns Hopkins comes out, showing no increase in deaths in 2020 related to prior years, the...
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These sort of posts from you get more outrageous by the day @country_hick. As has been the case for a very long time now here on DCT you continue to promote far-right wing misinformation and propaganda, AKA, fake news.

In this instance, you are posting a false and misleading story about an article from a Johns Hopkins student newsletter purporting that the COVID pandemic has no affect on the overall deaths rates and a false claim that the article was deleted by the institution using the charged term "spiked".

The first article is from the Gateway Pundit, an extremist right wing propaganda web site known for highly questionable stories, poor or no sourcing, conspiracy theories, extreme bias and fake news. Media Bias/FactCheck rates Gateway Pundit as "Questionable" which is a rather euphemistic term considering the analysis they provide.

The second source you cite is PJ Media a similar fake news extremist right wing outlet with a similar and perhaps worse reputation for promotion of propaganda and conspiracy theories, failed fact checks and lack of transparency.

Finally, the article that is claimed to have been "spiked" was removed by the Johns Hopkins Newsletter specifically because the material was being used to promote a false and dangerous narrative. At the very same page URL where the original article stood a thorough explanation of their reasoning is now offered and it includes a link to a PDF of the original article in question for the sake of full transparency. Posting a link to the web.archive of the original page is an intentionally misleading red herring designed to create a false impression of what actually occurred, implying that the article had been permanently deleted from the newsletter.

At the same page URL where the original Johns Hopkins News-Letter was posted you will now find the following explanation illustrated by the following partial screen shot.

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

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The dubious sources peddling this fake story, Gateway Pundit and PJ Media are rated by Media Bias/FactCheck below:

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Just the other day you promoted a different far right wing conspiracy theory using another highly questionable right wing propaganda outlet called Just the News known for misleading and untrustworthy reporting making the widely debunked claim that thousands of non US citizens voted illegally for Joe Biden in the recent presidential election. Non citizens living in the US are not permitted to vote in federal elections and could not get away with it even if they wanted to, especially in the enormous numbers being claimed. There is absolutely no proof of anything of the sort occurring; only wild speculation, conspiracy theory, broad assumptions and innuendo based on misleading claims derived from census data unsupported by voting records or actual facts.

Previously, you've posted similar right wing propaganda from sources funded by fossil fuel industry backed "think tanks" making demonstrably false claims denying the existence of climate change.

This really needs to stop, man! This is a dash cam forum, not a place for you to promote extremist right wing political propaganda.
 
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I saw this posted on facebook today.
Maybe masks are not the solution after all.

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So a new record here today with 1468 new infected.
17 municipalities in and around our capitol have gotten strengthened restrictions,,,,, it is still among the very young people the numbers are spiking ( i assume as they just do not care )

On the good news front, it seem like here the people that get hit hard, well compared to the spring 70% less are dying now,,,,,, which baffle the wizz kids.
So if you get hit hard, you stand a much better chance now it seem, though no new treatments ASO have been implemented but something must have changed with such a large number.

In preparation for the x mas shopping craze, the "strøget" ( the main shopping street in the capitol will be made 1 way, though it is just a waking street, no traffic have even been allowed there for decades you cant even bicycle on a Danish "strøg" / walking only shopping street, they are so to say like super sidewalks in the eye of the law )

These walking streets have been blocked for vehicle access too for a while after vehicular terror in other countries around the EU
 
Well the anti vaxxers will just claim it is a saline injection. :rolleyes: The mind see what it want to see, or are mislead to see.
 
We had a new record yesterday with 15XX in a day, out of the usual 80.000 or so tested.
 
With the pandemic raging across the world, especially in the US, I find myself thinking lately about how Donald Trump intentionally ignored the warnings from previous administrations about being prepared for the high likelihood of a future pandemic.

Obama's National Security Council left behind a 69 page pandemic "playbook" so the next administration would be prepared if one were to occur. They even sat down with key Trump cabinet officials during the transition period after the last election but the reception was icy. It was ignored. After that, the Trump administration disbanded the NSC Global Health Unit.


All the way back in 2005 George W. Bush gave an important policy speech on the subject and his administration began initial planning for the possibility of a coming pandemic. Again, the Trump administration ignored the strategy planning documents left behind by the Bush administration.


One has to wonder how things might be now if we'd had a different president in office when this pandemic hit.
 
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More record braking here, today's "NI" number are 1605.

I wish they would blow up the gerat belt bridge to confine this pestilence on the island with our capitol. :LOL:
 
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One has to wonder how things might be now if we'd had a different president in office when this pandemic hit.
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Bush succeeded to some extent, with help from some other global leaders, such as Bill Gates! The new vaccine science and technology that is partly a result of their funding and partly from funding stimulated by Bush's funding has succeeded in getting vaccines to market in record time, and I think the testing technology also benefited, you have to fund science decades in advance of when you want the results.

That hasn't made much difference yet, but now we have approved vaccines it will very rapidly have an effect over the next few months. It might need full vaccination to prevent outbreaks next autumn, but not to end the current waves and let us get back to normal over next summer.

USA was never going to go the Australian route whatever president you had, so I don't think there would have been much difference up to now. Testing hasn't had any real impact except in places like Australia where contact tracing could manage to wipe the virus out. Above very small infection numbers, contact tracing just doesn't work. Measures like masks might have been done better, but they have had very little effect anywhere, the only measures that have really worked are total lockdowns like in Wuhan and Australia, any other measures just slow the spread slightly, delaying the inevitable. Possibly Covid contact tracing apps are helping, but nobody seems to know since Google and Apple have blocked the governments from accessing any personal info, logically they should be reducing the R value a little which when there are a lot of infections can make a big difference to the number of new infections. The Australian app which works differently but does give data to the government didn't help, so far it has only detected 17 contacts that were not already known about despite millions of people using it! A different president might have got an effective app in place and overruled Apple and Google, thus benefiting every country that is using apps.

Possibly another president would have funded development of RNA vaccines better over the last few years, that seems like the best hope for making a big difference, but what was really needed was a big test of the technology, which was always going to have to wait for something like covid-19. So it is good that we only got a new cold virus and not a new Spanish Flu like virus, and maybe the next president will properly fund future development efforts so that when a properly bad one does arrive we will be ready. What we really need is to speed up the development and testing cycle for new vaccines x10 so that we can afford proper lockdowns, and for that we need to be pre-prepared with safe and tested vaccines that just need a little modification and almost no testing.

To have a significant impact the work needed to have been done years ago, so although Trump hasn't helped, his main effect is yet to come, from the damage he did to the scientific research efforts that could have made a big impact on the next virus but now can't because he got rid of the researchers, a lot of which will not return even if they are now wanted!

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More record braking here, today's "NI" number are 1605.

I wish they would blow up the gerat belt bridge to confine this pestilence on the island with our capitol. :LOL:
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You are still only a little above normal death figures! Cold and flu infections and deaths always increase rapidly at this time of year, you should expect record numbers nearly every day! UK has been seeing November numbers that are higher than the average November but less than the average December, I think Denmark is similar, and with there being zero flu about this year, the cumulative totals by spring are not going to be really bad in any country.
 
Nigel said:
Bush succeeded to some extent, with help from some other global leaders, such as Bill Gates! The new vaccine science and technology that is partly a result of their funding and partly from funding stimulated by Bush's funding has succeeded in getting vaccines to market in record time, and I think the testing technology also benefited, you have to fund science decades in advance of when you want the results.

That hasn't made much difference yet, but now we have approved vaccines it will very rapidly have an effect over the next few months. It might need full vaccination to prevent outbreaks next autumn, but not to end the current waves and let us get back to normal over next summer.

USA was never going to go the Australian route whatever president you had, so I don't think there would have been much difference up to now. Testing hasn't had any real impact except in places like Australia where contact tracing could manage to wipe the virus out. Above very small infection numbers, contact tracing just doesn't work. Measures like masks might have been done better, but they have had very little effect anywhere, the only measures that have really worked are total lockdowns like in Wuhan and Australia, any other measures just slow the spread slightly, delaying the inevitable. Possibly Covid contact tracing apps are helping, but nobody seems to know since Google and Apple have blocked the governments from accessing any personal info, logically they should be reducing the R value a little which when there are a lot of infections can make a big difference to the number of new infections. The Australian app which works differently but does give data to the government didn't help, so far it has only detected 17 contacts that were not already known about despite millions of people using it! A different president might have got an effective app in place and overruled Apple and Google, thus benefiting every country that is using apps.

Possibly another president would have funded development of RNA vaccines better over the last few years, that seems like the best hope for making a big difference, but what was really needed was a big test of the technology, which was always going to have to wait for something like covid-19. So it is good that we only got a new cold virus and not a new Spanish Flu like virus, and maybe the next president will properly fund future development efforts so that when a properly bad one does arrive we will be ready. What we really need is to speed up the development and testing cycle for new vaccines x10 so that we can afford proper lockdowns, and for that we need to be pre-prepared with safe and tested vaccines that just need a little modification and almost no testing.

To have a significant impact the work needed to have been done years ago, so although Trump hasn't helped, his main effect is yet to come, from the damage he did to the scientific research efforts that could have made a big impact on the next virus but now can't because he got rid of the researchers, a lot of which will not return even if they are now wanted!


You are still only a little above normal death figures! Cold and flu infections and deaths always increase rapidly at this time of year, you should expect record numbers nearly every day! UK has been seeing November numbers that are higher than the average November but less than the average December, I think Denmark is similar, and with there being zero flu about this year, the cumulative totals by spring are not going to be really bad in any country.
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As usual we get a big dose of internet punditry from you, Nigel, but you miss the mark. The point here was that the US could have had a coordinated federal response to any potential pandemic disease outbreak including something like Ebola, Lassa Fever or Zika and previous administrations were well aware of the need to prepare for whatever might occur going forward into the future. The Trump administration on the other hand arrogantly ignored the warnings, tore up the provided pandemic playbooks left behind by former administrations and disbanded the national security global health apparatus that was in place to deal with the advent of a coming pandemic and now we are paying the price.

Such things as talk about a cold virus vs an influenza virus is irrelevant and is merely you playing armchair epidemiologist again without taking into consideration the larger context. There are any number of other possibilities for a global pandemic entirely unrelated to respiratory viruses. There is even the possibility of a novel fungal infection or novel mosquito born disease that could wreak havoc to mass populations and which would require an entirely different public health response. The point here is having the measures in place to anticipate any potential pathogen that might arise and thanks to Trump we see what can happen when those measures get dismantled.
 
Nigel said:
Hope not, we already have enough problems with covid related fungal infections!
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Unfortunately, when it comes to novel disease pathways it seems anything is possible. I first heard about the possibility of a mass fungal infection on a radio broadcast some years ago but not much since. One possibility is that a novel fungus might not even infect humans or animals but instead could decimate food crops the world over.
 
Though we didn't have time to talk my business friend who was stuck in Arizona with Covid showed up on the job today looking to be in good condition :) His wife was with his and she also seemed to come through it well. Moderate cases both, but seemed like it was never going to get done with them...

Phil
 
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