Help me design the perfect system please

[jumeriah64]

The Mobius is a good cam (especially for the price) but there are other cams which may be better suited for your purposes. I'd be looking at the better (or best) Korean-made cams and the Street Guardian as potential candidates. You'll want pre-buffering for parking security. You'll also want large-card compatibility and great video quality. No point in starting with a different type than you want to use for this trip- as long as it will install to suit you in the X90 you can use it in the Peugeot now to become familiar with it.

If the Mobius appeals as a rear-facing cam it does have the advantage of being a tiny portable DVR you can take with you when you're out of the car for action shots, but it lacks pre-buffering and the motion detect and shock-sensor modes are cheesy compared to the better high-end cams. The about-to-be-released JooVuu "X cam" is something of a 'super-Mobius' in many ways. So far it looks like a good alternative for a similar cam.

And I agree- it sure is nice to see someone sensible enough to understand that "best" doesn't equal "cheap".

Phil

Just reading about the Joo Vuu cam you mentioned Phil....looks interesting and that's just the manufacturers web pages. Do we have any idea when the hard product will land and be reviewed somewhere? Specs wound good but of course only tell the high-line details. Cheers

 

[JooVuu]

Just reading about the Joo Vuu cam you mentioned Phil....looks interesting and that's just the manufacturers web pages. Do we have any idea when the hard product will land and be reviewed somewhere? Specs wound good but of course only tell the high-line details. Cheers

Hi
We have the specifications on the front page...if you would.like.other specifications just let us know and we will try and get them to you.

We are expecting the next cameras in September and these should be production quality.

Pre orders will be opened soon.

Kind regards

Dan

 

[jumeriah64]

There are not many choices out there with pre-buffer recording, small form-factor, reliable and good performance.

Check out SGZC12RC to see if it meets your reguirements

https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/forums/sgzc12rc.162/
Please take your time

Photos of how it looks like when installed:

https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/threa...c12rc-remote-lens-sony-exmor-imx322-wdr.8500/

The only thing, need to wait for new camera lens update. You can read here:

https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/threads/sgzc12rc-blurry-and-out-of-focus.11899/

Hi Niko, and many thanks for the wealth of data in the thread....is very interesting and informative. Have to confess to only getting half way through it so far but it's very rich in data. The X1 certainly cuts a more pleasing profile than the X2 but also I note the lens problem which exists. Sounds like this is an imminent fix which would not negatively affect my interest.

It certainly seems to present a lot of install options and I'm more than happy to look at well considered installation options. The 2015 XC90 fascia is leather clad and whist some might consider it OTT, I see it as a good challenge to maybe do the same with the head unit and maybe make up a suitably shaped housing.

Having read for a good couple of hours....maybe too much at one hit, could I just ask a few side band questions please:

- Is the max storage 128GB SDXC? Think I read it was. Any tales of anyone successfully running anything higher?
- Does this unit allow the wifi / BT / NFC type of data movement mentioned earlier? from cam to PC / smartphone etc?
- Would any auxiliary battery support be needed for 2 off cams sitting in motion detect? Guess depends on time but say over 3 days?

Also (and the classic question that always springs to mind when you find a good fit product) is there anything sitting in the wings that might replace or supersede it anytime on the 12-18 months?

Thanks again for your ongoing support

 

[jumeriah64]

Hi
We have the specifications on the front page...if you would.like.other specifications just let us know and we will try and get them to you.

We are expecting the next cameras in September and these should be production quality.

Pre orders will be opened soon.

Kind regards

Dan

Hi Dan and many thanks for quick reply. Will you be sending samples out to key folks to review and explain? e.g to this site or others? Would be very interested in seeing details and reviews for sure.

Yes if you don't mind, I do have some questions or specifications. In fact Dan they are pretty well listed in the opening post and indeed in the last couple of replies. If you don't mind taking a look at them or I can draft out again. All the best

 

[niko]

Hi Niko, and many thanks for the wealth of data in the thread....is very interesting and informative. Have to confess to only getting half way through it so far but it's very rich in data. The X1 certainly cuts a more pleasing profile than the X2 but also I note the lens problem which exists. Sounds like this is an imminent fix which would not negatively affect my interest.

It certainly seems to present a lot of install options and I'm more than happy to look at well considered installation options. The 2015 XC90 fascia is leather clad and whist some might consider it OTT, I see it as a good challenge to maybe do the same with the head unit and maybe make up a suitably shaped housing.

Having read for a good couple of hours....maybe too much at one hit, could I just ask a few side band questions please:

- Is the max storage 128GB SDXC? Think I read it was. Any tales of anyone successfully running anything higher?
- Does this unit allow the wifi / BT / NFC type of data movement mentioned earlier? from cam to PC / smartphone etc?
- Would any auxiliary battery support be needed for 2 off cams sitting in motion detect? Guess depends on time but say over 3 days?

Also (and the classic question that always springs to mind when you find a good fit product) is there anything sitting in the wings that might replace or supersede it anytime on the 12-18 months?

Thanks again for your ongoing support

No problem, any questions always welcome.

- at the moment SGZC12RC max can use 128Gb MicroSDXC.
- no wifi built in, but have to try wifi cards along with MicroSD to SD adaptors ( ordered, waiting to be delivered for tests )
- yes, you can use external battery pack. You can read and watch a lot of my tests videos here:

https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/threa...issue-when-hot-5v-via-power-bank.11858/page-2

No ETA on when something new ( better ? ) will be out, but as yo mentioned 12-18 month, then I am sure ( hope ) there will be something new on the market from different brands. The question is about reliability, - this takes long time of tests. There for I can say SGZC12RC ( "former X1" ) is over 6 month on the market and it is quite reliable, apart from some focus issue if left in parking mode in hot summer day, which is now in resolving process.

For sure it is worth also to wait Joovuu new camera release and test it as well. Maybe you will also like it.

 

[jumeriah64]

No problem, any questions always welcome.

- at the moment SGZC12RC max can use 128Gb MicroSDXC.
- no wifi built in, but have to try wifi cards along with MicroSD to SD adaptors ( ordered, waiting to be delivered for tests )
- yes, you can use external battery pack. You can read and watch a lot of my tests videos here:

https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/threa...issue-when-hot-5v-via-power-bank.11858/page-2

No ETA on when something new ( better ? ) will be out, but as yo mentioned 12-18 month, then I am sure ( hope ) there will be something new on the market from different brands. The question is about reliability, - this takes long time of tests. There for I can say SGZC12RC ( "former X1" ) is over 6 month on the market and it is quite reliable, apart from some focus issue if left in parking mode in hot summer day, which is now in resolving process.

For sure it is worth also to wait Joovuu new camera release and test it as well. Maybe you will also like it.

Appreciate your patience and detailed data Niko .... have to say in the very short time I have been posting, folks on this web site have been genuinely helpful and informative without being patronizing or 'over technicalizing' things to those of us who are new to the subject matter.....is not always the case on technically focused product forums were elitism can prevail. Very pleased to say it's not the case on Dash Cam Talk and folks are patient and share data in a practical and open manner....is great.

Would be very keen to learn of your experiences with the wifi cards and equipment you mention....think this will be extremely interesting for many of us reading. Look forward to hearing about that when you have time. Would appreciate if you could feed that back to this thread if and when you are able to. Highly interesting stuff.

Am going to read your link on battery support in the morning. I have probably mislead you a little (but maybe still relevant) .... I was more thinking to install a secondary power system into the XC90. Most certainly overkill in the 106 testbed but was trying to calculate standby times and power drain on the core vehicle battery. I have little data to accurately calculate this with but was considering to independently power the two cameras e.g SGZC12RC units with a supplementary 12v vehicle battery. It's a concept only but would rather pursue this than find I have installed devices that would affect the primary power supply of the vehicle. You have any data indications in this area? Am I over engineering or is this a realistic prospect? The vehicle will be new, it will be used extensively but will of course have periods of down time.

Yes the focus issue, I read your links and data....in fact still reading now. it certainly appears the company producing the unit are responsive and have solutions in the pipe line. This certainly would not concern me.....indeed any manufacturer/supplier willing to stand by and recognize the need to improve factors like that, deserves to attract business in my book. Is rare to see the supply side of technical products show some responsibility and commitment. Is impressive.

I will continue reading the data you have kindly sent. The learning curve continues at a fast rate. Many thanks again.....I fear I will bug you more yet with Q&A but it is greatly appreciated. Many thanks for the ongoing support.

 

[niko]

Appreciate your patience and detailed data Niko .... have to say in the very short time I have been posting, folks on this web site have been genuinely helpful and informative without being patronizing or 'over technicalizing' things to those of us who are new to the subject matter.....is not always the case on technically focused product forums were elitism can prevail. Very pleased to say it's not the case on Dash Cam Talk and folks are patient and share data in a practical and open manner....is great.

Would be very keen to learn of your experiences with the wifi cards and equipment you mention....think this will be extremely interesting for many of us reading. Look forward to hearing about that when you have time. Would appreciate if you could feed that back to this thread if and when you are able to. Highly interesting stuff.

Am going to read your link on battery support in the morning. I have probably mislead you a little (but maybe still relevant) .... I was more thinking to install a secondary power system into the XC90. Most certainly overkill in the 106 testbed but was trying to calculate standby times and power drain on the core vehicle battery. I have little data to accurately calculate this with but was considering to independently power the two cameras e.g SGZC12RC units with a supplementary 12v vehicle battery. It's a concept only but would rather pursue this than find I have installed devices that would affect the primary power supply of the vehicle. You have any data indications in this area? Am I over engineering or is this a realistic prospect? The vehicle will be new, it will be used extensively but will of course have periods of down time.

Yes the focus issue, I read your links and data....in fact still reading now. it certainly appears the company producing the unit are responsive and have solutions in the pipe line. This certainly would not concern me.....indeed any manufacturer/supplier willing to stand by and recognize the need to improve factors like that, deserves to attract business in my book. Is rare to see the supply side of technical products show some responsibility and commitment. Is impressive.

I will continue reading the data you have kindly sent. The learning curve continues at a fast rate. Many thanks again.....I fear I will bug you more yet with Q&A but it is greatly appreciated. Many thanks for the ongoing support.

Not sure if I remember to replay about WiFi + adaptor tests here, but when my tests are done, then I will post in SGZC12RC sub-forum, - you may subscribe there for new notifications.
Regarding high capacity power source for longer independent use, you may consider installing a second ( smaller ? ) car battery connected to main battery via DUAL BATTERY ISOLATOR SOLENOID.
No worries with questions. Take your time, read different threads and if any questions feel free to ask here or in that other relevant thread. Forum members will always try to help you out.

 

[jumeriah64]

Not sure if I remember to replay about WiFi + adaptor tests here, but when my tests are done, then I will post in SGZC12RC sub-forum, - you may subscribe there for new notifications.
Regarding high capacity power source for longer independent use, you may consider installing a second ( smaller ? ) car battery connected to main battery via DUAL BATTERY ISOLATOR SOLENOID.
No worries with questions. Take your time, read different threads and if any questions feel free to ask here or in that other relevant thread. Forum members will always try to help you out.

Understand what you are saying Niko. Yes can see you post a lot of information and clearly a busy guy. Will keep watching the thread you mention and over the next month or so will come back to you once I have my ideas well formed for the test-bed vehicle and the lens improvements are finalized.

Regarding the dual battery isolator idea, do you have any thread link or article/pdf etc that outlines this in more detail to aid my learning process? And are these products you can help supply with come that time?

Many thanks again

 

[SawMaster]

The JooVuu X-cam is currently in Beta testing and so far seems to be doing well. There's a forum for it on this site.

Adding a 'car-type' battery will get you the most capacity for the least money spent, but it has some drawbacks. First is size- you don't really want any type of lead-acid battery (including SLA and AGM types) in the passenger compartment in case it off-gasses and for safety in a crash. Wet-cell "Deep cycle" batteries are cheapest but you'll need to monitor the electrolyte (water) level occasionally. Would do very well for your trip to be removed later when you're back home as it's simple, robust, and cheap. RV and towing websites will have lots of info on how this works and what you'll need. RV and Travel Trailer dealers can do a Pro install or you can DIY if you're handy.

AGM and SLA batteries are like what you see in computer UPS back-ups, electric scooters, and power-wheelchairs. These are sealed so cannot normally leak acid, have good capacity, and are relatively inexpensive for they power they hold. Safer than standard deep-cycle but nothing is 100% safe (accidental over-charging can cause off-gassing with SLA and a fire with AGM- darn rare occurrences but possible). Probably best choice for large capacity storage in this type of usage. All the above is considered quite safe and is used by millions daily so don't let the potential risks scare you off; I just want you to be aware of them. They are about as safe at the stock car battery when installed and used correctly. Though not ideal, most can be safely used with the battery isolater type system mentioned above with no other circuitry.

Most needing extra battery capacity for their cams use a LIon-cell powerbank- many are reviewed here and elsewhere. The batteries are much as what's used in laptops. For ease of install and use these are best; it's "plug-and-play" with all the thinking done for you. They come in different capacities, you'll want a rather large rating to cover 3 days parking with 2 cams. Also useful in other applications like charging cellphones. Generally safest of all if you buy good quality- some of the cheap ones are suspect and should be avoided. The downside is that there may not be one large enough for your needs based on which cams you use and their power needs while parked- that can be calculated- and their capacity degrades with time but will certainly last your vacation. Price varies by capacity.

I'll be glad to 'run the numbers' for you regards capacity once you choose your cams and I will offer specific recommendations regarding which system I think best for you then too. Don't worry too much about this right now- it is a very "do-able" thing with whatever cams you choose, and your cam choice needs to be your focus right now. We'll all be here to see you through as you go along.

Phil

 

[jumeriah64]

Hi Phil and many thanks for taking the time with this information.....is very interesting and an another part of the equation that I have limited data on so far. That having changed thanks to your response.

Yes I lean towards an installed one...as you mention a 'car type' but for no real logic previously. I had read about a gel filled high spec battery that I think is typically used in small boats and I believe also in track vehicles but these look fairly expensive and may be over spec'ed....I think the gel element is based on safety rather than performance.

Is a very useful analysis between the various types and options. And for sure I'm going to come back to you once I have a good cam side design and kit list for some help with the maths. Appreciate that a lot...afraid I'm typical of many in that I have the ambition to get the right solution but not necessarily the entire skill set, so this is very helpful.

Many thanks for that Phil

 

[Deleted member 46308]

..afraid I'm typical of many in that I have the ambition to get the right solution but not necessarily the entire skill set, so this is very helpful

Agree, and I like to think we are in the majority 🙂

 

[jumeriah64]

Agree, and I like to think we are in the majority 🙂

🙂 ..... sound good to me Gabacho. But it is nice to see an on-line community that are happy to genuinely help without elitism or technical sneering or points scoring.

In fairness I've always done quite well in getting (or in some areas contributing) advice but I do see quite some forums were data and knowledge is treated like some 'earned commodity'...which is fairness in one sense I guess it is. To be able to get quality advice and input without feeling like you are sitting at the table waiting for the crumbs in really nice.

 

[jokiin]

🙂 ..... sound good to me Gabacho. But it is nice to see an on-line community that are happy to genuinely help without elitism or technical sneering or points scoring..

nobody is born with knowledge, can't stand people that talk down to others for asking simple questions, regardless of the topic

 

[jumeriah64]

nobody is born with knowledge, can't stand people that talk down to others for asking simple questions, regardless of the topic

I guess it's a thin line Jokiin....of those who jump on the hard work of others without so much as a google search or a head scratch. But certainly if you try to do your homework first then ask then it's exactly as you say above....totally agree.

 

[jokiin]

you can generally tell by the questions if someone is new or just lazy, for the most part if you start researching dashcams online you'd end up here one way or another so you do see a selection from both sides but I'd say the majority are just new and the questions are quite genuine

 

[jumeriah64]

you can generally tell by the questions if someone is new or just lazy, for the most part if you start researching dashcams online you'd end up here one way or another so you do see a selection from both sides but I'd say the majority are just new and the questions are quite genuine

You got a point Jokiin and indeed that's how I landed on this square here......been reading loads and for longer!!! But probably coming at it from the wrong angle....from a specific product and reverse engineering to a solution rather than scoping the need, finding a solution and then the products. But I'm catching up now thanks to you and the folks on here.

 

[JooVuu]

Hi @jumeriah64
Could you outline the questions please, we'll get everything answered.

Cheers,

Dan

 

[jumeriah64]

Hi @jumeriah64
Could you outline the questions please, we'll get everything answered.

Cheers,

Dan

Hi Dan, super stuff, here we go....they are very specific to our needs of course but suspect also areas others are (or might) find valuable:

1 Is the max storage 128GB SDXC? Think I read it was. Any road map to run higher capacities over time?
2 Does this unit allow the wifi / BT / or NFC type of data movement mentioned earlier? from cam to PC / smartphone etc?
3 Auxiliary battery support - Most likely for a 2nd fit car battery / isolator but open to other ideas. Aim to leave 2 cams in motion detect for periods of maybe up to 3 days
4. GPS positional recording - ideally

I read a lot on the site about the unit and feel sure 1 and 3 will be covered.

The application briefly is to 'video log' an on/off European road trip over several years and the normal security/safety factors in a new vehicle....but to prototype it (the next year) in an old vehicle till the solution is perfect.

Point 2 is interesting to me. The video log will collect a lot of data and so large SDXC's will be filled every day or two I guess. Although the concept is to have a week rotation cycle of chips, it would be way way more interesting to be able to wirelessly collect data from the cam's on the fly. e.g to a powerful SSD equipped laptop or a high end smart phone with large SDXC optional storage.

I conceptually considered simple wireless or bluetooth or NFC to be interesting ways to dump the data. I've used NFC successfully between Panasonic cameras and a Nexus 7.....NFC I thought would be a cheap and simple way to go but I don't know so much about the economics of it.

Maybe I'm barking up my own tree but I can't help but think there must be a huge amount of application way beyond what I'm considering that would make this type of functionality a real killer function.

Cheers Dan

 

[JooVuu]

Hi Dan, super stuff, here we go....they are very specific to our needs of course but suspect also areas others are (or might) find valuable:

1 Is the max storage 128GB SDXC? Think I read it was. Any road map to run higher capacities over time?
2 Does this unit allow the wifi / BT / or NFC type of data movement mentioned earlier? from cam to PC / smartphone etc?
3 Auxiliary battery support - Most likely for a 2nd fit car battery / isolator but open to other ideas. Aim to leave 2 cams in motion detect for periods of maybe up to 3 days
4. GPS positional recording - ideally

I read a lot on the site about the unit and feel sure 1 and 3 will be covered.

The application briefly is to 'video log' an on/off European road trip over several years and the normal security/safety factors in a new vehicle....but to prototype it (the next year) in an old vehicle till the solution is perfect.

Point 2 is interesting to me. The video log will collect a lot of data and so large SDXC's will be filled every day or two I guess. Although the concept is to have a week rotation cycle of chips, it would be way way more interesting to be able to wirelessly collect data from the cam's on the fly. e.g to a powerful SSD equipped laptop or a high end smart phone with large SDXC optional storage.

I conceptually considered simple wireless or bluetooth or NFC to be interesting ways to dump the data. I've used NFC successfully between Panasonic cameras and a Nexus 7.....NFC I thought would be a cheap and simple way to go but I don't know so much about the economics of it.

Maybe I'm barking up my own tree but I can't help but think there must be a huge amount of application way beyond what I'm considering that would make this type of functionality a real killer function.

Cheers Dan

I'll run through these quickly then I'll address other points.

1) At the moment no - we have not even considered larger yet simply for the reason that most 256gb cards will be more expensive than the camera. 128gb gives you about 30-40 hours of recording time give or take on the settings used. This means we could record about 1.5 Le Monde races. I'm not ruling out increasing capacity etc but at the moment if I'm brutally honest I currently do not think this is a priority.

2) Yes and no. The camera only has WiFi and can standardly transfer files from camera to phone. However, we are still investigating a way so if your WiFi reaches where you park your car, files can be automatically transferred across the network to your PC. HOWEVER, this is far more difficult than you may think but we are working on this but more of a 'getting everything into place so we can make progress' kind of work - the focus is now on the image quality of the camera.

3) The camera is super capacitor so will need battery support which this will have. I'm not quite clear, are you wanting to run the camera directly from the car battery or have a power bank connected to your camera to run for 3 days or so? Motion detection support will be supported, and we'll be modifiying and releasing an accessory that can increase motion detection support so it is based off vibrations and sound up to 10m away and then when closer visual.

4) Yes and no. The GPS is in the 3M charging cable so more freedom than saying the 0806 but still semi restricted.

There is loads of application for car cameras, and when we started this project we had loads of ideas we wanted to put into practice etc. HOWEVER, companies like Ambarella honestly don't give a f*** and as such do not give the information you need or solve the problems you face.

Take for instance the connect to PC wifi and transfer files automatically problem.

In theory it's simple and should be this:

Camera comes into contact with an INTERNET wireless connection, it looks for specified folder, if found, upload files.

Dead easy. Wrong.


So let me just run you through some of the problems we are facing:
Ambarella
Ambarella
Ambarella
Ambarella

oh and wireless protocols.

We basically need the APIs and the SDK updated so we can call functions to carry out what we need. I kid you not about 50 emails later and I've made more progress ranting to my dog than with Ambarella. We can only implement what we have access to, and if we need access to other stuff, we have to dance to the rain gods.

If I had a spare 50m USD going I'd be tempted to start my own version of Ambarella and do things better - sadly I don't.

However, whilst I have been rather sarcastic this is not to say we are giving up and progress is not made, it just makes everything like walking through treacle, it's slow, but you're still moving forwards, just very slowly.

Cheers,

Dan

 

[jumeriah64]

I'll run through these quickly then I'll address other points.

1) At the moment no - we have not even considered larger yet simply for the reason that most 256gb cards will be more expensive than the camera. 128gb gives you about 30-40 hours of recording time give or take on the settings used. This means we could record about 1.5 Le Monde races. I'm not ruling out increasing capacity etc but at the moment if I'm brutally honest I currently do not think this is a priority.

2) Yes and no. The camera only has WiFi and can standardly transfer files from camera to phone. However, we are still investigating a way so if your WiFi reaches where you park your car, files can be automatically transferred across the network to your PC. HOWEVER, this is far more difficult than you may think but we are working on this but more of a 'getting everything into place so we can make progress' kind of work - the focus is now on the image quality of the camera.

3) The camera is super capacitor so will need battery support which this will have. I'm not quite clear, are you wanting to run the camera directly from the car battery or have a power bank connected to your camera to run for 3 days or so? Motion detection support will be supported, and we'll be modifiying and releasing an accessory that can increase motion detection support so it is based off vibrations and sound up to 10m away and then when closer visual.

4) Yes and no. The GPS is in the 3M charging cable so more freedom than saying the 0806 but still semi restricted.

There is loads of application for car cameras, and when we started this project we had loads of ideas we wanted to put into practice etc. HOWEVER, companies like Ambarella honestly don't give a f*** and as such do not give the information you need or solve the problems you face.

Take for instance the connect to PC wifi and transfer files automatically problem.

In theory it's simple and should be this:

Camera comes into contact with an INTERNET wireless connection, it looks for specified folder, if found, upload files.

Dead easy. Wrong.


So let me just run you through some of the problems we are facing:
Ambarella
Ambarella
Ambarella
Ambarella

oh and wireless protocols.

We basically need the APIs and the SDK updated so we can call functions to carry out what we need. I kid you not about 50 emails later and I've made more progress ranting to my dog than with Ambarella. We can only implement what we have access to, and if we need access to other stuff, we have to dance to the rain gods.

If I had a spare 50m USD going I'd be tempted to start my own version of Ambarella and do things better - sadly I don't.

However, whilst I have been rather sarcastic this is not to say we are giving up and progress is not made, it just makes everything like walking through treacle, it's slow, but you're still moving forwards, just very slowly.

Cheers,

Dan

No don't give up Dan this sounds a very interesting project.

Yes I'm sure I'm over simplifying the WIFI side of things. Think as it's so invasive now that we almost expect it without question.

The capacity question is not a major issue if you are talking in terms of 30-40 hours. I incorrectly thought 128GB would only stretch a day. And as you say 256GB chips are not cheap but within the next I suspect they will be within such a cost window that those of us fitting the 'enthusiast' category would certainly afford it.

I was thinking more pier to pier 'Cam to Device' than to home network Dan (nice as that would definitely be). But you say cam to phone WIFI will be there? So if I took a real world current example, I could have two Joo-Vuu cam's installed and have say a Nexus 7 with a large SDXC card (or some external storage) or a Samsung Edge 6 with large chip, and that would work? And if I understood that correctly, is that a triggered process i.e do I need press a button or run a routine on the phone or is it an option that can just be set to run in background?

If I understood that function correctly then in our example I guess we could also do the same to laptop? Not on a home network but as a device stored and used in the vehicle. If that's the case then our application is more than sorted with the Joo-Vuu. Essentially I want cam data to pass to a device 'in vehicle' as we drive such that at the end of the day, we can take out the device and review/edit the video data off line.

Still working out the best way to run supplementary power to the cams but leaning towards a second car battery professionally fitted and with an isolator....essentially a second car battery just for the cams/system....maybe PC and Smartphone charging.

Hope that clarifies our need just now and I definitely hope that the cam to phone/device functionality mentioned above is live and well when the product comes out. If I did understand that correctly Dan then is it possible to explain a little more (function wise not technically) how that would play out in usage?

I sympathize with the development difficulties you are experiencing....most be very frustrating. And alas I can't help you with the 50m 😉 But I hope you overcome the difficulties....I feel sure you will.

All the best