Passthrough charging of power banks

Here is the exact quote from the article you linked from Battery University:
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I think this is only valid for devices where the charger doesn't provide enough power to fully operate the device and so the device always uses battery power when turned on, if the battery is charged at the same time then charging progress will vary depending on variations in the load being taken by the device and may be negative at times. In the case of nearly all laptops and smartphones, but not normal phones, the charger provides enough power to both power the device and simultaneously charge the battery although often only on a slow charge, in this case I don't think there is any reason to turn off the device while the battery is charging unless you want a fast charge, in fact a slow charge is normally better for the battery. Laptop batteries tend to suffer from overheating due to being too close to hot processors, disk drives etc. while having poor ventilation which shortens their lives - at least that is what I blame for the poor performance from the five and a half year old battery in the laptop I'm using to type this.
 
So, there is no power bank out there that does it and the UPS is stupid expensive.🙄
 
My understanding of all this is that, relatively speaking, you can fairly easily design the electronics of these types of battery packs to do pass-through charging but no matter what scheme you use it will put a lot of stress on the Li-ion cells and shorten their lifespan, perhaps by a third or more.
How do you make such a statement?
I agree that the cheaper power bricks likely use simple circuitry to reduce costs, but the statement above is simply wrong.
The cct below is incomplete & is used to show the principle, but how does this stress the batteries as you say?
*(Q2 is used simply as an electronic relay)
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I have a couple of personal laptops which are circa 2004 & 2006, and only last year replaced one battery with an aftermarket because it was starting to drop below 15 minutes of runtime. The other I think is still the original and both are plugged in 24/7, though not really used daily anymore. However when they were new, they'd be on from the time I got off work till bedtime. Ironically, I have newer laptops in which the batteries have deteriorated in a shorter amount of time, but they do run hotter. Though given the low cost of replacements, I have stopped worrying about maximizing the life of the battery packs and just use them as intended.

KuoH

Laptop batteries tend to suffer from overheating due to being too close to hot processors, disk drives etc. while having poor ventilation which shortens their lives - at least that is what I blame for the poor performance from the five and a half year old battery in the laptop I'm using to type this.
 
How do you make such a statement?
I agree that the cheaper power bricks likely use simple circuitry to reduce costs, but the statement above is simply wrong.
The cct below is incomplete & is used to show the principle, but how does this stress the batteries as you say?
*(Q2 is used simply as an electronic relay)

I have posted my remarks about this at least three times already along with the related direct quote from the link that @kuoh provided earlier in this thread to Battery University.

Here it is again:

"A portable device must be turned off during charge. This allows the battery to reach the set threshold voltage unhindered, and enables terminating charge on low current. A parasitic load confuses the charger by depressing the battery voltage and preventing the current in the saturation stage to drop low. A battery may be fully charged, but the prevailing conditions prompt a continued charge. This causes undue battery stress and compromises safety."

Specifically, Battery University cites the issue of "mini-cycles" that occur when the charger circuit hovers near the cut-off point as the cause of the stress. "Battery manufacturers advise against parasitic load while charging because it induces mini-cycles. The battery is being charged to 4.20V/cell and then discharged by the device. The stress level on the battery is high because the cycles occur at the 4.20V/cell threshold."

Not only will this approach stress the cells but there is the possibility that this could also damage the monitoring circuitry of the charger which has been shown to be a cause of numerous lithium-ion battery failures because a failure would allow the internal temperature of the battery to exceed safety thresholds. I think the electronics in the generic Chinese battery banks are likely to be even more prone to failure and is further reason to avoid stressing these packs.
 
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I completely understand your philosophy about not worrying about the ultimate battery longevity of your phones and laptops but I think you are ignoring some of the information from the source you yourself provided a link to.

So, while yes, stressing lithium-ion batteries will shorten their lifespan, it is important to consider that smartphones and laptops are usually built to standards that many dash cams and Chinese battery packs are not. And while battery lifespan is a consideration, it is not the only issue here.

@kuoh, I appreciate that you have a lot of experience as an IT guy but you (or me, or @sofaspud or @Nigel) are not battery scientists like Isidor Buchmann, the man behind Battery University who speaks with authority about this subject rather than mere opinion or speculation, so I opt to defer to him. Buchmann is not one to shy away from the issue of battery safety but he makes clear that in general, lithium-ions cells are pretty safe. So when he says that charging devices while they are turned on "causes undue battery stress and compromises safety", I pay attention. While I too sometimes use my cell phone while it is being charged, like for example when I receive a call during the charging process, or use a laptop while it is plugged in, I take a whole different approach when it comes to dash cams and battery packs in my vehicle. For one thing, dash cam batteries are already under stresses not usually encountered in other devices like constant temperature extremes and fluctuations. Shock and vibration are also well known stressors that shorten lithium-ion battery life and compromise their integrity. Of course, having used battery banks in my vehicle for quite some time now, I know that they too experience a lot of added stresses by being in an automotive environment. Just the other day I had one of my battery banks go flying off the passenger seat during a panic stop and land on the floor. (fortunately it was in a padded Otterbox type case) One way or another battery banks are subjected to heat, to cold and to a lot of vibration and shocks. Stressing these types of battery banks even further with pass-through charging, even if it is doable, seems like a questionable practice if there is an increased likelihood of a safety issue. This is especially so with many Chinese battery banks as we have no way to know the quality of the cells or circuit boards in many of these products. Unlike a small dash cam battery, there is a lot of lithium to catch on fire if one of these things should experience a thermal runaway.



Here is the specific point that I think is causing our mutual misunderstanding. Properly designed circuits do not charge and drain the batteries at the same time. A power bank connected to a 2A power source, but a 1A load will not be attempting to draw that load directly from the battery. The 1A load current will be drawn from the power source while the charging IC uses the remaining current to charge the battery if necessary. If the load uses all the available current, then no charging occurs. Again, it does not force the cell to do two things at once. The ones that cannot do pass through charging will have two separate curcuits, one to charge and one to discharge, which is why they cannot do both at the same time.

As for the example about laptop and other types of batteries failing prematurely due to being constantly being plugged into a charger while in use, as I said, many people are willing to trade longer runtime over a few extra months of battery life. I've worked in IT support for decades and know quite well the charging recommendations manufacturers have to publish versus real life results of hundreds of laptops used in corporate environments that are left plugged in 24/7. Overall, I'd agree it can degrade the usable life of the battery, especially with the older NiCd and NiMH types, but todays Li-ions and their associated chargers are much better at dealing with this type of use. In my personal and professional experience, I have yet to have a Li-ion laptop battery fail in less than 2 years from normal use, if it survived the first 60 days. These are laptops which are used daily for several 5 to 60 minute intervals between recharges and continue to be used while charging. Ofcourse regularly using the laptop in a hot environment, consistently letting it drain to less than 20% or leaving it unused but fully charged/discharged over many months will noticeably accelerate battery wear, but I would't consider that normal use.

While I agree that we are discussing power banks of unknown design, they are also quite inexpensive compared to a laptop battery. Am I going to care if I have to buy another $20-$40 power bank in 2 years by using it the way I want to versus pampering it and possibly only getting a few months or perhaps a year more? I'm going to say no, especially if it's one that I can replace with new cells anytime I want.

In the end, I understand you wanting to warn and educate the general public about the best way to prolong the life of their equipment, but the disadvantages of only using it in the "perfect" way should also be noted. FYI: My phones and laptops are always plugged into the car or home charger and used at will, regardless of the state of charge and I have yet to have to replace the original batteries in less than 2 years. However, I understand that my results are statistically insignificant and other brands and models may have different results. Still given that I can purchase a new battery for virtually any phone at around $20-$30, I choose to maximize it's availability by always keeping it charging whether I'm actively using it or not.

KuoH
 
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Honestly, I'm not ignoring any information. I do believe his "recommendations" are good in general, but also do not believe that it applies to every single li-ion battery charging system out there. It definitely does not apply to every single cell phone or laptop charging circuitry. I don't have the studies to prove it, but I'm fairly confident that 99% of the cell phone user base do not turn off their phones while charging and we're not seeing daily reports of exploding phones. Even the actual reports of catastrophic failures have been very rare and generally attributed to physically damaged or poor quality cells / chargers. Some or perhaps many of these new power banks utilize some of the same circuits used in those phones and do not apply these "mini cycles" that you're so worried about. If you're truly want to adhear to every recommendation to the letter, then you probably shouldn't even charge any of your li-ion power devices above 85% so they are never stressed or subjected to the potential of a thermal runaway.

The way I read his statement regarding pass through charging of portable devices in cradles, is that he was referring to old cell phones, hand held radios and other devices which have charging contacts on the outside of the case/battery. In those devices, the charging circuit is outside of the device and it would be attempting to charge the battery while the device is actively drawing power from the battery. This is not the case with most of today's devices, as the charging electronics are integrated into the device itself. The "charger" is just a dumb current source and the device itself decides if and when it needs to charge the battery. There is no possibility of damaging the charging or monitoring circuits, which by the way is the same thing in today's devices, when used while charging.

Personally, I'm not all that concerned with pass through charging of power banks. I've taken apart my power banks and have actually measured the charging voltage at the battery terminals. Some are designed to be conservative and don't even let the cells reach 4.20V. Also there have been technology improvements since that article was published, such as 4.35V cells and better / cheaper / smarter charging ICs, developed specifically due to the exponential growth of cell phones, tablets and other portable electronics. I think few if any of those devices you purchase today warn against using them while charging. They may recommend not doing so to improve charging speed or battery life, but nothing that even hints at the potential of thermal runaway from normal use. If the likelyhood of that happening were more than even remote, you can bet the lawyers would have strongly worded warnings and require safety circuits to disable such operation, not necessarily for user safety, but rather to prevent lawsuits. Does that mean that the entire industry is wrong and putting explosive devices in people's homes? No, it's just that everything changes and technology is usually the quickest of all. I have no doubt Mr Buchmann is an expert in the field, but I also believe that specific recommendation does not apply every single li-ion system design or take into account advancements that have been made since the article was published.

Really, the only thing I wanted to point out was that a blanket statement that pass through charging on any li-ion device is always bad / dangerous based solely on that article is patently false. It's also quite easy for just about anyone who knows how to use a DMM to test and verify for themselves whether their device can do this correctly. Just measure the cell voltage while connected to a charger and a small load simultaneously and see if it rapidly oscillates up and down or never reaches the full charge voltage. If all it does is slowly drop to the lower charging voltage threshold, then rise again to the full voltage as charging kicks in, then it's all good. This is the same thing it would do whether a load was connected or not. As for vibration and shock being an issue, honestly, the type of vibration experienced in a car is insignificant compared to what they experience in the RC world and other applications. And your example of the pack falling off a seat due to an extreme stop would be an example of damage that could occur to any device and pass through charging would not stress it any more than when you plug it in manually to charge. I should also think that people who are considering using their power banks in this way would have the unit secured in some way, if nothing else, to prevent the cables from being torn away.

If you really want to warn against something, then it might be leaving the power bank connected to a charger continuously. Even then, the only downside is the possibility of reduced battery lifetime, but I'm of the opinion that it's negligible based on my own personal experiences. What's more important is ensuring that the batteries are not exposed to prolonged high temperatures while charging. This should not be a big issue if the batteries are in the cabin, not obstructed from airflow and only charging when the vehicle is running, which is how I would have it wired anyway.

What I would recommend to everyone who is thinking about using their power banks in this specific application is to read the information for themselves and form their own conclusions based on at least some testing, not just what they read off some website or forum.

KuoH

I completely understand your philosophy about not worrying about the ultimate battery longevity of your phones and laptops but I think your are ignoring some of the information from the source you yourself provided a link to.
 
It is amusing that you go to so much trouble to debunk the information source that you first provided and which you now refer to as "some website" or dismiss such a highly respected authority on the subject, making assumptions that he "was referring to old cell phones, etc." The website Battery University is basically a presentation of excerpts from some of the chapters of Isidor Buchmann's book "Batteries in a Portable World" now in it's third edition with a new update in the works. The fellow is internationally known for his expertise, particularly in the field of battery analysis yet somehow you seem to feel you know better.

A lithium-ion battery pack is probably not going to explode in your face but the fact is that the safety failures with these types of batteries pretty much always happen during the charging process and so knowingly stressing these battery cells with improper charging methods while draining them in an automotive environment that can also include shock, vibration and temperature extremes, questionable circuitry and cell quality seems unwise no matter how you want to rationalize it, cherry-pick facts, make assumptions or broad generalizations. Buchmann is saying that it is the cumulative combination of such stresses that lead to battery failure and safety concerns. Pass-through charging may be suitable in a more stable environment but doing this full time in an automotive environment seems like a recipe for problems.

Speaking of assumptions, not everyone lives in an urban or suburban environment with smooth paved roads to drive on where as you put it, "the type of vibration experienced in a car is insignificant". There are those of us like me who live in a rural area, half way up a mountain on challenging dirt roads full of ruts, washboards, potholes and frost heaves. Vibration is often a major concern for numerous reasons, whether it is for the vehicle itself or the delicate equipment I use for my work or for cargo in general. Dash cams and battery packs are only a peripheral concern but this is indeed why I store lithium battery packs in padded, shock resistant Otterbox cases when they are not in use. Additionally, some of us live in extremely hot or cold environments that are also stressful to lithium batteries. Where I live we experience temperatures above one hundred degrees F and down to 25 below or more. These days when I park my nice warm vehicle somewhere for half an hour I come back to a frozen one. Even without pass-through charging this is stressing the lithium cells I have in use.

Like I've said previously, I can appreciate the appeal of pass-through charging to run dash cams from a battery pack in a vehicle but this strikes me as an ill-advised half measure. The right way to do this would be to hard wire your camera to your car's electrical system rather than daisy-chain a 12V car system to a battery pack to a dash cam.

But in any event, I agree that everyone should do their own due diligence, reach their own conclusions about this subject and do what makes you happy.








Honestly, I'm not ignoring any information. I do believe his "recommendations" are good in general, but also do not believe that it applies to every single li-ion battery charging system out there. It definitely does not apply to every single cell phone or laptop charging circuitry. I don't have the studies to prove it, but I'm fairly confident that 99% of the cell phone user base do not turn off their phones while charging and we're not seeing daily reports of exploding phones. Even the actual reports of catastrophic failures have been very rare and generally attributed to physically damaged or poor quality cells / chargers. Some or perhaps many of these new power banks utilize some of the same circuits used in those phones and do not apply these "mini cycles" that you're so worried about. If you're truly want to adhear to every recommendation to the letter, then you probably shouldn't even charge any of your li-ion power devices above 85% so they are never stressed or subjected to the potential of a thermal runaway.

The way I read his statement regarding pass through charging of portable devices in cradles, is that he was referring to old cell phones, hand held radios and other devices which have charging contacts on the outside of the case/battery. In those devices, the charging circuit is outside of the device and it would be attempting to charge the battery while the device is actively drawing power from the battery. This is not the case with most of today's devices, as the charging electronics are integrated into the device itself. The "charger" is just a dumb current source and the device itself decides if and when it needs to charge the battery. There is no possibility of damaging the charging or monitoring circuits, which by the way is the same thing in today's devices, when used while charging.

Personally, I'm not all that concerned with pass through charging of power banks. I've taken apart my power banks and have actually measured the charging voltage at the battery terminals. Some are designed to be conservative and don't even let the cells reach 4.20V. Also there have been technology improvements since that article was published, such as 4.35V cells and better / cheaper / smarter charging ICs, developed specifically due to the exponential growth of cell phones, tablets and other portable electronics. I think few if any of those devices you purchase today warn against using them while charging. They may recommend not doing so to improve charging speed or battery life, but nothing that even hints at the potential of thermal runaway from normal use. If the likelyhood of that happening were more than even remote, you can bet the lawyers would have strongly worded warnings and require safety circuits to disable such operation, not necessarily for user safety, but rather to prevent lawsuits. Does that mean that the entire industry is wrong and putting explosive devices in people's homes? No, it's just that everything changes and technology is usually the quickest of all. I have no doubt Mr Buchmann is an expert in the field, but I also believe that specific recommendation does not apply every single li-ion system design or take into account advancements that have been made since the article was published.

Really, the only thing I wanted to point out was that a blanket statement that pass through charging on any li-ion device is always bad / dangerous based solely on that article is patently false. It's also quite easy for just about anyone who knows how to use a DMM to test and verify for themselves whether their device can do this correctly. Just measure the cell voltage while connected to a charger and a small load simultaneously and see if it rapidly oscillates up and down or never reaches the full charge voltage. If all it does is slowly drop to the lower charging voltage threshold, then rise again to the full voltage as charging kicks in, then it's all good. This is the same thing it would do whether a load was connected or not. As for vibration and shock being an issue, honestly, the type of vibration experienced in a car is insignificant compared to what they experience in the RC world and other applications. And your example of the pack falling off a seat due to an extreme stop would be an example of damage that could occur to any device and pass through charging would not stress it any more than when you plug it in manually to charge. I should also think that people who are considering using their power banks in this way would have the unit secured in some way, if nothing else, to prevent the cables from being torn away.

If you really want to warn against something, then it might be leaving the power bank connected to a charger continuously. Even then, the only downside is the possibility of reduced battery lifetime, but I'm of the opinion that it's negligible based on my own personal experiences. What's more important is ensuring that the batteries are not exposed to prolonged high temperatures while charging. This should not be a big issue if the batteries are in the cabin, not obstructed from airflow and only charging when the vehicle is running, which is how I would have it wired anyway.

What I would recommend to everyone who is thinking about using their power banks in this specific application is to read the information for themselves and form their own conclusions based on at least some testing, not just what they read off some website or forum.

KuoH
 
Debunk his information, not really. Disagree with your interpretation of what it means, yes. At any rate, I've said what I felt needed to be said. The others can choose to believe you, me, him or better yet learn a little about the subject and decide for themselves, hopefully after a little bit of their own research.

KuoH

It is amusing that you go to so much trouble to debunk the information source that you first provided and which you now refer to as "some website" or dismiss such a highly respected authority on the subject, making assumptions that he "was referring to old cell phones, etc."
 
Debunk his information, not really. Disagree with your interpretation of what it means, yes.
KuoH
Nothing personal, but likewise🙄

I have posted my remarks about this at least three times already along with the related direct quote from the link that @kuoh provided earlier in this thread to Battery University.
Here it is again:
"A portable device must be turned off during charge. This allows the battery to reach the set threshold voltage unhindered, and enables terminating charge on low current. A parasitic load confuses the charger by depressing the battery voltage and preventing the current in the saturation stage to drop low. A battery may be fully charged, but the prevailing conditions prompt a continued charge. This causes undue battery stress and compromises safety."
Specifically, Battery University cites the issue of "mini-cycles" that occur when the charger circuit hovers near the cut-off point as the cause of the stress. "Battery manufacturers advise against parasitic load while charging because it induces mini-cycles. The battery is being charged to 4.20V/cell and then discharged by the device. The stress level on the battery is high because the cycles occur at the 4.20V/cell threshold."
Not only will this approach stress the cells but there is the possibility that this could also damage the monitoring circuitry of the charger which has been shown to be a cause of numerous lithium-ion battery failures because a failure would allow the internal temperature of the battery to exceed safety thresholds. I think the electronics in the generic Chinese battery banks are likely to be even more prone to failure and is further reason to avoid stressing these packs.

But you still do not answer the question of how the cct shown will cause stress to the cells. The question arose because of your somewhat sweeping claim that any scheme will cause stress.
I feel it is clear that while you may well have read the source you often quote, you do not seem to fully understand the information given there.


It is amusing that you go to so much trouble to debunk the information source that you first provided and which you now refer to as "some website" or dismiss such a highly respected authority on the subject, making assumptions that he "was referring to old cell phones, etc." The website Battery University is basically a presentation of excerpts from some of the chapters of Isidor Buchmann's book "Batteries in a Portable World" now in it's third edition with a new update in the works. The fellow is internationally known for his expertise, particularly in the field of battery analysis yet somehow you seem to feel you know better.
I don't think Kuoh (or myself) are trying to debunk the author concerned, rather trying to point out that the information given is not the be-all & end-all of the subject but a part of a much bigger picture.
As you say, the information is excerpts from a book, not the entire content.

But in any event, I agree that everyone should do their own due diligence, reach their own conclusions about this subject and do what makes you happy.
I think we all agree🙂, don't rely on any single source of information or opinion...

As a closing note I did obtain one of those Eptek power bricks mentioned elsewhere here, & promptly took it apart & tested it.
For various reasons I will not be using it (unmodified) in the car, but I'll wait until I have time to expand on that.
 
But you still do not answer the question of how the cct shown will cause stress to the cells. The question arose because of your somewhat sweeping claim that any scheme will cause stress.
I feel it is clear that while you may well have read the source you often quote, you do not seem to fully understand the information given there.

I have never made any "sweeping claims" as you put it. I merely offered a verbatim quote from Battery University regarding stress caused by charging/discharging and parasitic loads.

The simple fact of the matter is that, yes, any charging method will cause a certain amount of stress to lithium-ion batteries. You seem to be focusing solely on which particular method of charging one chooses while completely ignoring the inherent properties and functionality of lithium-ion cells themselves. Lithium-ion batteries are fairly fragile and will lose about 20% of their capacity per year just sitting in storage and lose even more once you begin using them. Lithium-ion batteries work on the principle that both the positive electrode (cathode) and the negative electrode (anode) can bind lithium ions. During the charging process, the induced electrical field forces the ions to move from the cathode to the anode. When the battery is discharged, the lithium ions move back to the cathode, releasing energy in the process. The cathode is comprised of lithium metal oxide within a layered structure. During the charging process, the lithium ions are stored in these layers but some lithium ions end up forming metallic lithium instead of intercalating into the anode as they are supposed to. This is called "plating" and is specifically what Buchmann speaks of often in his book when he talks about damage to or deterioration of lithium cells. When these lithium deposits form on the anode they are no longer available for charging the cell and this process results in the drop in battery performance we are all so familiar with. If the lithium-ion cells are further stressed by heat, freezing, vibration or improper charging, this accelerates the plating effect and this what leads to premature cell failure, overheating, swelling, venting and short circuits. Metallic lithium is highly inflammable and that is why there is an inherent safety issue. So, any form of charging will stress the battery to some degree, although newer smartphones and tablets (particularly from Apple, it seems, via its iOS battery management system) have more sophisticated monitoring and charging circuitry designed to minimize charging stresses that can welcome being connected to a power source during use.) Modestly priced Chinese battery banks (the actual subject of this thread, not cell phones or laptops) are highly unlikely to have such sophisticated circuitry and the cells are also most often not the highest quality. Either way, using charging methods not endorsed by battery manufacturers will cause additional stress to your lithium-cells and in my view is not a wise practice. One can rationalize this subject any way one likes, but like all of us seem to agree, you should do what you are most comfortable with, feel is safe and makes you happy.
 
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I have never made any "sweeping claims" as you put it. I merely offered a verbatim quote from Battery University regarding stress caused by charging/discharging and parasitic loads.

My understanding of all this is that, relatively speaking, you can fairly easily design the electronics of these types of battery packs to do pass-through charging but no matter what scheme you use it will put a lot of stress on the Li-ion cells and shorten their lifespan, perhaps by a third or more. So, a battery bank that should last 3 years will only last two, if that and it will hold less and less of a charge even sooner than that. Pass-through charging is obviously a much desired feature but for it to work properly really needs a different battery chemistry.
This was not part of the passage you quoted from BU but rather you voicing your opinion.

The simple fact of the matter is that, yes, any charging method will cause a certain amount of stress to lithium-ion batteries. You seem to be focusing solely on which particular method of charging one chooses while completely ignoring the inherent properties and functionality of lithium-ion cells themselves.
I do no such thing. I have never claimed charging does not cause stress, & the cct principle shown includes a Li Ion charger as an integral part of it.

So, any form of charging will stress the battery to some degree, although newer smartphones and tablets (particularly from Apple, it seems, via its iOS battery management system) have more sophisticated monitoring and charging circuitry designed to minimize charging stresses that can welcome being connected to a power source during use.)
This is contradictory to your earlier statements

Modestly priced Chinese battery banks (the actual subject of this thread, not cell phones or laptops) are highly unlikely to have such sophisticated circuitry and the cells are also most often not the highest quality. Either way, using charging methods not endorsed by battery manufacturers will cause additional stress to your lithium-cells and in my view is not a wise practice. One can rationalize this subject any way one likes, but like all of us seem to agree, you should do what you are most comfortable with, feel is safe and makes you happy.
I have never claimed otherwise, but simply trying to balance the discussion. That is to say that when properly managed, Li Ion batteries are not the bomb some posters would have people believe
 
Say that "my understanding" of something, "relatively speaking" hardly could be classified as a "sweeping" claim. And no one here ever remotely described li-ion batteries as "bombs". People who don't know how to express themselves well or are looking to provoke usually are the ones to resort to such hyperbole. But really though, what exactly is your point here? Instead of putting so much time and energy into attacking every line of my posts with reactionary remarks why not see if you can come up with something interesting and worthwhile to add to the discussion?
 
Say that "my understanding" of something, "relatively speaking" hardly could be classified as a "sweeping" claim. And no one here ever remotely described li-ion batteries as "bombs". People who don't know how to express themselves well or are looking to provoke usually are the ones to resort to such hyperbole. But really though, what exactly is your point here? Instead of putting so much time and energy into attacking every line of my posts with reactionary remarks why not see if you can come up with something interesting and worthwhile to add to the discussion?
I have, as I have always tried to do in other posts of mine also. If you cannot recognise or appreciate any then feel free to ignore any future posts of mine.
But you still do not answer the question of how the cct shown will cause stress to the cells. The question arose because of your somewhat sweeping claim that any scheme will cause stress.
You still avoid trying to answer the question re-iterated in the above quote, but instead try try to divert discussion away by concentrating on my use of the word sweeping (which is appropriate as you applied your statement to any scheme).

It is interesting that you suggest I cannot express myself well, yet your own posts contain contradictory statements & claim I simply wish to attack your posts with reactionary comments. This while you fail to give direct answers to question(s) arising from your own statements.

As I said in my last, my comments (along with others who have previously) posted in this thread is try to balance your viewpoint.
You shouldn't have a problem with that. However, while you list a source of your information, 'your understanding' is misinforming people.

Feel free to have the last word as I'm sure you will, I have better things to do than continue what has degraded into a slagging match.

🙂
 
Well, once again you drive home the point that you have nothing worthwhile or interesting to offer other than ego driven drivel and couched trolling.
 
Hello, it seems that one of the problems with powerbank is also that they stop charging when the mobile or any device is full already ?
 
I intend to connect car charger to a powerbank to a dash cam (powerbank have one cable connected to car charger and one cable connected to dash cam), so that when I turn off the engine, the powerbank can continue to power up the dash cam . When I turn on the engine, the powerbank will be charged. The connection is permanent. I want the dash cam to have power 24hours everyday. Is my connection possible?

Can I use any normal powerbank or is there a need to use passthrough powerbank?

Thanks
 
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