The OWL Cam - developed by engineers from Apple, Drop Cam and Microsoft

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Saying that phones are quite "trendy" is like saying that refrigerators are trendy. @M Basta hardly seems to be saying as you suggest, that those owning high end iPhones are the "only" people buying high end dash cams, merely that they are the more likely candidates to spend the money for a $350.00 camera with a $120 yearly cloud service than people buying low end or mid range phones.

The OWL cam has barely been available in the marketplace for two months and they have publicly stated that their Android app is forthcoming. What's the point of this ongoing condemnatory attitude that they don't have one yet? For better or worse, OWL cam is attempting to create something new and different here and these things take time. The OWL cam would hardly be the first smartphone enabled dash cam released to the market that didn't have it's apps all sorted out when the camera first went on sale.

BTW, since you are as you say "interested in high end dashcams...." which high end dash cams do you actually own? As I recall, you have a WR1 that you use with only the default settings because you don't own a smartphone.

I'm personally "interested" in high end, high performance sports cars but I drive a pick-up truck.
 

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Saying that phones are quite "trendy" is like saying that refrigerators are trendy.
Hardly. In Europe a High End phone is a status symbol much like an expensive car. The rich like theirs to be gold plated or encased in custom polished wooden or other exotic cases to distinguish themselves from the poorer people who buy one. An expensive phone is a trendy item for the young and rich who like to flash them off. I'd hardly call a dashcam a status symbol or trendy. So it doesn't necessarily follow that those exclusively purchasing iphones are the most lucrative target market for an expensive camera when compared to marketing to tech enthusiasts generally. That said an apple developer designed product may inspire brand loyalty. Maybe that is what OWL is trying to change, to bring a more trendy product to the market to capture the iPhone generation.

As for condemnatory attitude, there is non. What I said was quite clear, I'm personally not that impressed with the amount of detail retrieval based on the video the user posted on Youtube which showed a van close up in the next lane. That's my opinion and you are free to disagree or comment to the commentary should you wish to do so. Any comment made on here is designed to help manufacturers design a better product. Owl by not supporting Android are potentially losing out on a huge share of the market given there are many more users of Android than iPhones. Ultimately it makes no difference to me how OWL decide to restrict their business model. It was just an observation.
 
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Hardly. In Europe a High End phone is a status symbol much like an expensive car. The rich like theirs to be gold plated or encased in custom polished wooden or other exotic cases to distinguish themselves from the poorer people who buy one. An expensive phone is a trendy item for the young and rich who like to flash them off. I'd hardly call a dashcam a status symbol or trendy. So it doesn't necessarily follow that those exclusively purchasing iphones are the most lucrative target market for an expensive camera when compared to marketing to tech enthusiasts generally. That said an apple developer designed product may inspire brand loyalty. Maybe that is what OWL is trying to change, to bring a more trendy product to the market to capture the iPhone generation.

As for condemnatory attitude, there is non. What I said was quite clear, I'm personally not that impressed with the amount of detail retrieval based on the video the user posted on Youtube which showed a van close up in the next lane. That's my opinion and you are free to disagree or comment to the commentary should you wish to do so. Any comment made on here is designed to help manufacturers design a better product. Owl by not supporting Android are potentially losing out on a huge share of the market given there are many more users of Android than iPhones. Ultimately it makes no difference to me how OWL decide to restrict their business model. It was just an observation.
You stated that, "phones are quite trendy whereas dashcams are all....." which is incorrect. Smartphones are ubiquitous these days just the way cars are. Whether some people drive luxury cars or compact sedans is as irrelevant as whether people buy modest priced Android phones or high end Samsung Galaxy 8s or iPhones 6s. The gold plated phone argument is a red herring that has nothing to do with this. The product category of phones or cars are not "trends", they are practically commodities. Dash cams on the other hand are a small market in a relatively new and growing product category. At one time most people had never heard of GoPro or were even aware of the existence of action cameras but now there is widespread awareness and action cams are quite popular products. Despite the fact that GoPro cameras are generally costly, their popularity is certainly not limited to buyers who own high end smart phones but instead are purchased by people who already own all manner of smartphones.

Despite your denials you are indeed being condemnatory . What's the point of excoriating OWL cam in post after post for "not supporting Android" when they've categorically stated that Android support is forthcoming? The product has only been available for two months and like countless other hardware products before them was introduced initially for iOS or Android with support for the other platform to follow. In the scheme of things nobody is "losing out on a huge share of the market" as you so condescendingly claim. Like many new products it takes time to develop awareness in the marketplace. I have no doubt that the expereinced industry insiders behind OWL cam know what they are doing and have a good business plan in place for how they intend to roll out their product without a guy on an internet forum who doesn't even own a smartphone but does have a smartphone operated dash camera he can't adjust or set telling them how the world works.
 
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You're in the US, I'm in the UK. Having the very latest high end smartphone is still a status symbol in the UK, as is having certain brands of watch or car.
 
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You're in the US, I'm in the UK. Having the very latest high end smartphone is still a status symbol in the UK, as is having certain brands of watch or car.
We have that too but on the whole it is a relatively small demographic in the scheme of things when compared to the broader population. Remember, practically everyone has a mobile phone these days. Owning one is not "trendy" even if there is a desire among some for the latest bells and whistles or a fancier car. As for the OWL cam, obviously it will appeal to people who can afford them, even some who don't necessarily own the latest, most expensive smartphones. The OWL cam is more or less in a similar price range to other allegedly "high end" cameras such as the SG9663DC and several other brands that seem to be quite popular. People who justify the cost of an expensive dash cam may be using a different metric than the one they use for their mobile device.
 

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The OWL cam is more or less in a similar price range to other allegedly "high end" cameras such as the SG9663DC and several other brands that seem to be quite popular.
If the OWL cam becomes popular, I'm sure it won't take long for a more modestly priced option to be turned out by one of the other brands, perhaps with a few less bells or whistles.
 
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If the OWL cam becomes popular, I'm sure it won't take long for a more modestly priced option to be turned out by one of the other brands, perhaps with a few less bells or whistles.
Yeah, Street Guardian, for example already seems to have offerings in various price ranges. Of course, the question of whether the highest priced dash cams on the market really do offer two, three or even four times the value of lower priced models available nowadays remains an interesting question.

So far the OWL cam is it's own category however.
 

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We have that too but on the whole it is a relatively small demographic in the scheme of things when compared to the broader population. Remember, practically everyone has a mobile phone these days. Owning one is not "trendy" even if there is a desire among some for the latest bells and whistles or a fancier car. As for the OWL cam, obviously it will appeal to people who can afford them, even some who don't necessarily own the latest, most expensive smartphones. The OWL cam is more or less in a similar price range to other allegedly "high end" cameras such as the SG9663DC and several other brands that seem to be quite popular. People who justify the cost of an expensive dash cam may be using a different metric than the one they use for their mobile device.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not against the OWL cam by any means. I just felt they were missing a trick by not supporting Android, (soon to be rectified as you pointed out), and had a little way to go on quality tuning.
 
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Don't misunderstand me, I'm not against the OWL cam by any means. I just felt they were missing a trick by not supporting Android, (soon to be rectified as you pointed out), and had a little way to go on quality tuning.
I think we agree that OWL cam needs to put more effort into refining the IQ and other basic refinements we all look for in quality dash cams. The smart phone connectivity and parking mode alert features are unique and generally worthwhile but alone don't make for the sort of dash cam most members here are looking for in terms of capturing actionable evidence in the event of a traffic accident, including date and time and the preservation of hard evidence. I'm also of the opinion the camera needs removable memory card capability as well as connectivity, cloud storage and modest internal memory .
 

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Another questionable thing about this camera is the flashing LED warning beacon facing the front of the vehicle.
Nothing says "steal me" like a blinking camera on your dash board either. :rolleyes:

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I've read about this on another site from someone who owns one. He said the blinking light attracts attention. Perhaps too much attention. I would think you would also need a regular car alarm system so the noise could make a theif run before he got anything.
 

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It's a pity if they see the need to retain an LED not to put an option in the settings menus like GoPro do on their action cameras to turn the LED's off. That would resolve the issue whilst retaining advantage to some users of having the LED present.
 
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I've read about this on another site from someone who owns one. He said the blinking light attracts attention. Perhaps too much attention. I would think you would also need a regular car alarm system so the noise could make a theif run before he got anything.
I agree with you that both would be better but I think the concept of a regular car alarm conflicts with the way this camera is being marketed. OWL cam probably doesn't want to plant the idea that a different product altogether might be useful or even do a good enough job protecting a car on its own.

It's a pity if they see the need to retain an LED not to put an option in the settings menus like GoPro do on their action cameras to turn the LED's off. That would resolve the issue whilst retaining advantage to some users of having the LED present.
Thus far we don't know if the OWL cam LED does or doesn't already have the functionality to turn the LED off but certainly it's something they might add to the firmware of this very new product.
 
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Here's an update. I've tried both the Owl and the Raven Dash Cams. The Raven gave me all kinds of alerts, vehicle speed, aggressive driving and stopping, unit turned off or unplugged, plus you get a web page that give you access to your cars GPS map locations and video from the unit, it's heavily tied into the ODB2 ports diagnostic systems, so it's great for monitoring young drivers or whoever you loan your vehicle to as it gives you lots of feedback on what's happening. The Owl just uses the ODB2 port for power. The Owl connects with a magnet that has not jumped off from it's base but makes it really easy to remove and take with you. The Raven clips into it's base and can be removed also.

Owl works really good with the iPhone and pretty good with an Android phone, can't use both phones, as you can only link it to one phone. The flashing led does make it look more like a car alarm. I live in what I consider a low crime areas and so far have had no problems with theft and have used both units for about three months. Both survived high summer temperatures in my car but I learned a long time ago to keep both rear passenger windows open by about an inch to help control heat buildup. I once had a cellphone holder melt because I was closing all the windows during hot summer weather. I like the image quality of the Owl better and it was really easy to retrieve video from any location with my cell and took under a min. to do so. The Raven took a little longer to download videos, perhaps a little over a min. Owl makes it really easy to access and share videos. With both units sometimes cloud access may not be available and the units upload when service is connected again. This means there may be a chance that if you part in an area with no cell reception there may be no alerts or video if the unit is taken. So far I've noticed this to be very rare living in a big city.

I decided to go with the Owl as it's really easy to setup and has that Apple style plug and play working for it. Will have to see how the cold weather effects them. Raven has better night vision, Owl has bright LED lights to light up the inside of the passenger compartment when unauthorized entry is detected, works great with the iPhone but not so great with my Android phone, as I often get mistaken as an intruder. The parking alerts work well for both phones as I get alerts of people walking to close to the car, both have a low, medium, and high setting, so I don't get a lot of false alerts. Owl turns itself off after 24 hours if you don't drive your car during that time, or if your battery is low.

I do believe using the cloud and being able to use your cellphone to instantly see what's going on inside and in front of your vehicle from any location and at anytime is the future, Tesla has cameras all around it's cars and have started developing the front camera for use as a dash cam. I'm not a professional reviewer or affiliated with any of these companies, all this stuff is just off the top of my head as there are probably lots of additional features I've left out. Owl has uploaded Youtube videos directly from Owl owners which allow you to see what they captured including a few of them capturing people breaking into their car and one or two of them stealing the dash cam. Strangely some thieves left the dash cam. I'm currently looking for adapter cables to see if I can hook them up to a battery pack. As someone who's really into gadgets, I've enjoyed playing around with these and a few other dash cams.
 

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I like the idea of a CCTV camera in my car i can access from my phone from anywhere, this are the main reason for me wanting a larger unlimited phone data plan and #2 sim card i could use for sharing data in a hot spot in the car.
But i think i would prefer such a camera to be on its own or maybe as part of a alarm package, and i would like that camera to be a cabin camera and leave the approach of crooks / thieves to my dash cameras, that might be on their way to get stolen.
So i would prefer a good head shot from up close to be my evidence that get saved to the cloud.
And with the up and coming dashcams with remote cameras detached from the main unit with the storage, i feel there are a strong chance of the main unit stashed somewhere in the car will not get stolen.
 
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A hidden system would be great. Plus you wouldn't have to worry about getting a ticket for obstruction of drivers view, not that it's happened and I see lots of cars with cell phones placed in such a position.
 

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I like the image quality of the Owl better (...) Raven has better night vision.
Yeah, lots of "tricks" but for most potential buyers what really matters is the image quality and you have to agree that the information you provided on that isn't going to make anyone go buy one.
 

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I'll take it for now. It does what I need it to do. So I no longer look at different types of cams and have stayed with this one.
But this forum is not about "you", it's about sharing your experiences/impressions/tests so that others can make their own choices. A dashcam's main function is to record good video and audio. The rest of the "gimmicks" are secondary for the majority of people.
 
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