Vantrue E360

[Nigel]

I just realized you can replace the (2) Li-ion 18650 cells (6600mah) with (2) LiFePO4 26650 cells (7600mAh).

How are you going to fit a 26mm diameter battery into an 18mm diameter stick?

 

[SafeDriveSolutions]

How are you going to fit a 26mm diameter battery into an 18mm diameter stick?

With a lot of lube? 🤣 🤣 🤣

 

[Augustus]

SHHHHHHHHH!

Quite the 180 from let's gooooo

 

[SafeDriveSolutions]

Quite the 180 from let's gooooo

LET"S GOOOO

 

[Augustus]

LET"S GOOOO

There it is.

Now I can sleep like a baby tonight

 

[Chuck McCoy]

How are you going to fit a 26mm diameter battery into an 18mm diameter stick?

That's why you're supposed to have R&D, Quality Control, and Product Planning Department.

 

[Julian23]

That's why you're supposed to have R&D, Quality Control, and Product Planning Department.

If you look at the end of the E360 product page there is a roadmap.
It has been in development since more than 1 year.
Heat testing was done 2 months ago according to this.
If there would have been any issues they would redesign it.
The last thing a company wants is a liability risk. This would ruin a reputation really quick.

 

[Chuck McCoy]

The last thing a company wants is a liability risk. This would ruin a reputation really quick.

There should have been at least one person at the table that said;
“We are making a dedicated vehicle dash cam, we need to rethink including Lithium-ion battery accessories. That’s the whole reason we use super capacitors in our dash cams. So they don’t explode in a ball of fire, and burn our customers cars’ down”
What I should have said was “competent” R&D, Quality Control, and Product Planning Department.
Do you not remember the exploding Samsung phones?
This is why dash cam battery packs use LiFePO4 Lithium Iron Phosphate, (they do not explode into fireballs when damaged by heat, puncture, overcharging, etc.

Heat testing was done 2 months ago according to this.

It says the dash cam was heat tested, not the handheld mount with lithium-ion batteries.
@Jeff_Vantrue can you confirm & verify the handheld mount was heat tested?

 

[Augustus]

There should have been at least one person at the table that said;
“We are making a dedicated vehicle dash cam, we need to rethink including Lithium-ion battery accessories. That’s the whole reason we use super capacitors in our dash cams. So they don’t explode in a ball of fire, and burn our customers cars’ down”
What I should have said was “competent” R&D, Quality Control, and Product Planning Department.
Do you not remember the exploding Samsung phones?
This is why dash cam battery packs use LiFePO4 Lithium Iron Phosphate, (they do not explode into fireballs when damaged by heat, puncture, overcharging, etc.

It says the dash cam was heat tested, not the handheld mount with lithium-ion batteries.
@Jeff_Vantrue can you confirm & verify the handheld mount was heat tested?

Luckily we haven't seen anything since the Galaxy Note 7 battery saga, which was due to design faults by Samsung. Lithium ion battery fires are no joke, but I think it's important to gather the statistics on the matter too.

With a quick Google I've seen that in one State here in Australia last year it was 1 in every 76 fires was caused by lithium ion batteries, up from 1 in 100. A lot of these fires seem to be e-bikes and e-scooters, which would naturally have a higher risk of fire due to their bigger batteries, hence higher energy density.

I think overall considering, there is an inherent risk in any household of a device with a lithium ion battery catching fire, whether it be a cell phone or laptop or something else. But I would say most companies would have this under control with their quality assurance processes, it would be a hard thing to stuff up.

 

[Chuck McCoy]

lithium ion battery catching fire

$10 = (2) 18650 Li-ion 6900mAh
$14 = (2) 26650 LiFePO4 8000mAh

Dog chews Li-ion Power Bank;

 

[Nigel]

$10 = (2) 18650 Li-ion 6900mAh
$14 = (2) 26650 LiFePO4 8000mAh

Dog chews Li-ion Power Bank;

Maybe your LiFePO4 can withstand a dog, but can they withstand:

 

[Augustus]

$10 = (2) 18650 Li-ion 6900mAh
$14 = (2) 26650 LiFePO4 8000mAh

Dog chews Li-ion Power Bank;

Obviously dog has to take some responsibility for its actions 🤣

I have over 110 Nokia mobile phones in suitcases in my bedroom with their batteries, I should be concerned shouldn't I haha, this whole Li-Ion battery fire thing doesn't keep me awake at night sorry haha

 

[mentadent]

Are you guys memeing or are you actually concerned the tripod will catch fire? I don't think it's meant to be left in the car.

 

[Augustus]

Are you guys memeing or are you actually concerned the tripod will catch fire? I don't think it's meant to be left in the car.

I'm not concerned, I think Chuck is. As you say it's not meant to be left in the car and I think it would take a lot for it to catch fire in a hot car (not impossible though technically)

 

[Chuck McCoy]

are you actually concerned the tripod will catch fire?

If the Vantrue E360 was an Action Cam like a GoPro, or Insta 360 I would have no issues with it using Li-ion batteries.
That is not the case.
The Vantrue E360 is a dedicated vehicle dash cam.
Some poor schmuck is bound to take this thing to the beach, hook up the handheld mount, film his family building sandcastles until the battery dies, take it back to the car, hook it up to a charger, lock the car, head back to his family.
Everyone knows what happens when you leave Li-ion batteries charging in a hot parked car.
The manufacturer video shows a similar scenario.
The potential explosion, and car fire could all be avoided by using LiFePO4 cells instead of Li-ion cells increasing the cost from $370 to $374.

 

[Nigel]

Everyone knows what happens when you leave Li-ion batteries charging in a hot parked car.

As long as the charger has high and low temperature protection, so doesn't try to charge below freezing or above 40°C, then there should be no problems. Yes, there is a small risk, but you will be allowed to take this device on an aeroplane, the risk is judged small enough that the fire can be dealt with, and as with any device with a rechargeable battery, the instructions will tell you never to charge it unattended, and if you are attending it, but asleep, then make sure you fit a smoke alarm.

Li-ion is what you expect in a device like this, some manufacturers even put Li-ion cells in their dashcams, something I don't agree with, but have yet to see any evidence of a fire risk!

 

[Chuck McCoy]

I don't think it's meant to be left in the car.

Well of course not.
I don't think you're supposed to use / charge your cell phone while in the bathtub but people do.

 

[Chuck McCoy]

some manufacturers even put Li-ion cells in their dashcams, something I don't agree with, but have yet to see any evidence of a fire risk!

Where's @Dashmellow when I need him.
Whenever you say this he posts the thread showing an exploded dash cam with a burned car interior.

 

[Nigel]

Well of course not.
I don't think you're supposed to use / charge your cell phone while in the bathtub but people do.

Wow, that is why power sockets are illegal in our bathrooms, and why our houses are protected with earth leakage breakers, doubly not possible here.

 

[Julian23]

Wow, that is why power sockets are illegal in our bathrooms, and why our houses are protected with earth leakage breakers, doubly not possible here.

Here in Germany in wet rooms they are required by law.
Don't know about other countries.