Vueroid S1-4K Improvement Wishlist

[kamkar]

For me at least, thinking about the next thing is still better than thinking about the current thing, even if it is still not up to scratch,and this of course have to be fixed.
Not that i advocate progress above everything, but it is just the way my brain is wired.

So i am always " i have a good thing going here" but my brain are already on how can i make this thing better or at least more to my liking.

 

[ANI]

At present, the camera enters ELPM after the Discharge Cut-Off Time is reached. Accordingly, we are reviewing ways to provide more flexible time settings.

Ahh, this is good news indeed!

I did not expect this, since the attached video above in this thread states otherwise, just like the Vueroid User Manual that is currently in Vueroid's web pages. It states: "Vehicle Battery Protection: Discharge Cut-Off Time: After a set time, the device will stop parking recording and remain turned off until the vehicle is started again".

Can you confirm that the current behavior has really been changed from what the manual states? I would say that this is already 60% of what I was looking for!

Currently, once the Discharge Cut-Off Voltage is reached, the camera is designed to power off completely. However, we are also reviewing a scenario in which the camera would instead enter ELPM at that point.
As you pointed out, since ELPM’s power consumption is extremely close to zero, even after reaching the configured voltage cut-off level, it would take a considerable amount of time before an actual battery discharge occurs. From that perspective, maintaining a continuous “just-in-case” protection scenario is not necessarily unreasonable.
That said, as @lufa6977 emphasized, preventing battery discharge is the most critical concern. Therefore, maintaining the fundamental principle of battery protection remains our top priority.

One way could be to introduce a possibility to select either one or two Cut-Off Voltage thresholds in the user interface: When only one voltage level is selected, the behavior would be like it is now (turn off the camera). When two voltages are selected, the higher threshold would behave like the Cut-Off Time, i.e. to switch the camera over to ELPM, and if the voltage drops to the lower threshold, the device would turn off to save the car's battery from draining.

 

[VUEROiD]

Ahh, this is good news indeed!

I did not expect this, since the attached video above in this thread states otherwise, just like the Vueroid User Manual that is currently in Vueroid's web pages. It states: "Vehicle Battery Protection: Discharge Cut-Off Time: After a set time, the device will stop parking recording and remain turned off until the vehicle is started again".

Can you confirm that the current behavior has really been changed from what the manual states? I would say that this is already 60% of what I was looking for!


One way could be to introduce a possibility to select either one or two Cut-Off Voltage thresholds in the user interface: When only one voltage level is selected, the behavior would be like it is now (turn off the camera). When two voltages are selected, the higher threshold would behave like the Cut-Off Time, i.e. to switch the camera over to ELPM, and if the voltage drops to the lower threshold, the device would turn off to save the car's battery from draining.

Several features and operational scenarios have changed since the product launch.
Yes, the current behavior differs from what is described in the user manual. This will be officially announced on our homepage and here once the next firmware update (v1.4.0) is released.

The S1 4K provides cut-off time options in hours: 1, 2, 3, 6, 12, 24, and 48 hours.
If the battery voltage remains above the user-defined cut-off voltage after the selected cut-off time has elapsed, the device transitions from Motion Detection parking mode (Buffered parking mode) into ELPM.
Whenever an impact event occurs while in ELPM, the S1 4K wakes up and records the event. It then checks the battery voltage and decides whether to power off completely or return to ELPM.
Since ELPM consumes almost 0 mA(Not exactly 0, but near 0), it can remain active for an extended period while still protecting the vehicle battery.

The main difference compared to other approaches is constant low-bitrate recording until the first cut-off voltage versus motion-based, buffered event recording for a user-defined duration.

Thank you for the comment!!

 

[ANI]

The main difference compared to other approaches is constant low-bitrate recording until the first cut-off voltage versus motion-based, buffered event recording for a user-defined duration.

I would just like to check that I understand this correctly.

Would you be so kind as to clarify this a bit further? Does this mean that the current behavior has also some other changes cf. the currently published User Manual, and you refer here to those changes?

(I understand the terms "timelapse", "low bitrate", "motion detection", "buffered" etc. quite well, but I'm not sure what exactly are the approaches that are compared here, and where exactly does the term "difference" point here...).

BTW, are there plans to introduce Vueroid S1 4K 3CH to the European markets in the near future? I tried to search a webstore to submit an order but have not succeeded in finding one that would dispatch to Europe so far... From everything what I have read and seen so far, it looks exceptionally promising, and I'd be interested in getting one into my hands.

 

[VUEROiD]

Would you be so kind as to clarify this a bit further? Does this mean that the current behavior has also some other changes cf. the currently published User Manual, and you refer here to those changes?

(I understand the terms "timelapse", "low bitrate", "motion detection", "buffered" etc. quite well, but I'm not sure what exactly are the approaches that are compared here, and where exactly does the term "difference" point here...).

I think I explained it a bit too briefly earlier, so I’ve written it out again in more detail below. Please let me know if anything is still unclear.
With the current firmware, once the Discharge Cut-Off Time is reached, the device transitions into ELPM. When the battery voltage then reaches the configured Discharge Cut-Off Voltage, the device powers off completely.
If an impact event occurs after the device has entered ELPM via the Discharge Cut-Off Time, the camera wakes up, records the event, and checks the battery voltage. Based on the voltage level, it then decides whether to power off or return to ELPM.
Because the power consumption in ELPM is close to 0 mA (not exactly zero, but nearly), it is practically impossible for the vehicle battery to drain unless impact events continue to occur repeatedly.

The key difference I was referring to is how parking-mode recording is handled.
With other brands, parking mode may involve continuous recording, such as a low-bitrate recording mode, until a first voltage threshold is reached. At that point, the device may enter a low-power mode, and if the voltage drops further to a second, lower threshold, the camera then powers off.

In contrast, our approach records only when motion or an event is detected during parking mode. The device transitions into ELPM after a user-defined time, and once the voltage drops to the configured cut-off level, the device powers off. This difference in recording and power-management strategy is what I was trying to highlight.

BTW, are there plans to introduce Vueroid S1 4K 3CH to the European markets in the near future? I tried to search a webstore to submit an order but have not succeeded in finding one that would dispatch to Europe so far... From everything what I have read and seen so far, it looks exceptionally promising, and I'd be interested in getting one into my hands.

We are grateful to see continued interest and inquiries about purchasing our products in Europe. While we are actively working to identify local distributors within the region, we are also preparing our own online store as the fastest way to make our products available. We will be sure to share updates as soon as everything is ready. We apologize for the wait and truly appreciate your patience.

 

[LateralNW]

we are also preparing our own online store as the fastest way to make our products available.

That would be a good idea. Please make sure you include various currencies to make it easier for your potential customers.
For me that would mean including the Australian price and ideally purchasing it with Australian dollars.

On another note:
Has there been any Real world testing of how it handles high temperatures?

Today it's 39c in Melbourne. I have 4x dashcams in the car just to see if they will start when left in the sun.

I'm happy to add another if Vueroid is interested. It would be my first experience with a Korean product.

70-80c cabin temp! No wonder it feels f really hot lol

 

[LateralNW]

On another note:
Has there been any Real world testing of how it handles high temperatures?

No takers?

So no one has done real world hot temperature tests?

I know it's not cold everywhere in the world but perhaps it is where vueroid sent their test units🤷‍♀️

@VUEROiD and @qusejr2 even acknowledge my post.
What am i missing?

 

[VUEROiD]

No takers?

So no one has done real world hot temperature tests?

I know it's not cold everywhere in the world but perhaps it is where vueroid sent their test units🤷‍♀️

@VUEROiD and @qusejr2 even acknowledge my post.
What am i missing?

This year, the temperature in Seoul was extremely high. For more than 10 consecutive days, it did not drop below 30 °C, even at night.
This period coincided with our final validation phase. During that time, around 30 internal team members installed the S1 4K in their own vehicles and reported issues on a daily basis.
Beyond laboratory testing, I can confidently say this served as a real-world heat stress test.

Considering the DuraShift feature and its use scenarios, its development would not have been possible without thorough testing and validation.
Have a good day~

 

[kamkar]

Thats hot.

It have been a few years since we Danes had two 30 deg C days in a row, these generally only come 1 day at the time and not many over a summer, not even a handful.
Up here you can test neither really cold or warm environment.

Right now summer is in the southern hemisphere, and by Odin i would like to be there CUZ i would rather sweat then freeze.

 

[LateralNW]

@VUEROiD
I appreciate your in-depth reply while making a good point about the Seoul weather something i haven't experienced.

Having 30 units in field testing should help detect many heat related issues even after best engineering practice.

The sustained heat and humidity in Seoul is an environment that is taxing on electronics.

We don't have that in Melbourne what happens here is shorter but more extreme peak cabin temperatures on very hot days, even though overnight cooling is better. Not a criticism — just a slightly different stress profile.

I appreciate you taking the time to explain your validation process.

Cheers

 

[Onetenner]

I think I explained it a bit too briefly earlier, so I’ve written it out again in more detail below. Please let me know if anything is still unclear.
With the current firmware, once the Discharge Cut-Off Time is reached, the device transitions into ELPM. When the battery voltage then reaches the configured Discharge Cut-Off Voltage, the device powers off completely.
If an impact event occurs after the device has entered ELPM via the Discharge Cut-Off Time, the camera wakes up, records the event, and checks the battery voltage. Based on the voltage level, it then decides whether to power off or return to ELPM.
Because the power consumption in ELPM is close to 0 mA (not exactly zero, but nearly), it is practically impossible for the vehicle battery to drain unless impact events continue to occur repeatedly.

The key difference I was referring to is how parking-mode recording is handled.
With other brands, parking mode may involve continuous recording, such as a low-bitrate recording mode, until a first voltage threshold is reached. At that point, the device may enter a low-power mode, and if the voltage drops further to a second, lower threshold, the camera then powers off.

In contrast, our approach records only when motion or an event is detected during parking mode. The device transitions into ELPM after a user-defined time, and once the voltage drops to the configured cut-off level, the device powers off. This difference in recording and power-management strategy is what I was trying to highlight.


We are grateful to see continued interest and inquiries about purchasing our products in Europe. While we are actively working to identify local distributors within the region, we are also preparing our own online store as the fastest way to make our products available. We will be sure to share updates as soon as everything is ready. We apologize for the wait and truly appreciate your patience.

Can I jump in on this? my background as a vehicle diagnostics technician may help (or not!) Most vehicles settle at a quiescent current of 30mA when parked & locked, which typically gives about 2-3 weeks of parking before the available current approaches the 'no start' level, vehicle trackers typically consume 2-3mA when the vehicle is resting.
I cannot see a dashcam even if it consumed 3-4mA as a resting current becoming a problem. Vehicles have their starter battery sized to their quiescent current draw and their starting current (and to ensure the terminal voltage does not drop below 10.50VDC during cranking. Of course, if the 'active' current is, say, 10mA and persists for a minute - and there are many triggers e.g. parking in an area where there is lots of movement, (I've found that trees and bushes moving due to gusts of wind can trigger park recording) then even relatively low sporadic current draw will cause the usable battery capacity to be depleted in a much shorter period than the manufacturers design for.
A note on the design period - this is very much 'worst case' - vehicle parked with ~70% charge level, in low temperature (below 0deg. C.) with telematics (if fitted) activated once per day. I've had vehicles parked up for six months awaiting parts that have started up as if they've been left for a week, so it's possible to have advantageous conditions, but you can't assume that will always be the case. There is also the question of the age, condition and type of starter battery fitted, sometimes just a small increase in quiescent current draw will be enough to cause a no-start condition, because the battery itself is not in a healthy state of charge or has a diminished capacity.

 

[lufa6977]

That would be a good idea. Please make sure you include various currencies to make it easier for your potential customers.
For me that would mean including the Australian price and ideally purchasing it with Australian dollars.

On another note:
Has there been any Real world testing of how it handles high temperatures?

Today it's 39c in Melbourne. I have 4x dashcams in the car just to see if they will start when left in the sun.

I'm happy to add another if Vueroid is interested. It would be my first experience with a Korean product.

70-80c cabin temp! No wonder it feels f really hot lol

...and what were the results with those four dashcams in that 80 °C cabin temperature?


The Vueroid really does not need a 'real-world test', to be honest. However, I have had the dashcam operating at 68 °C, and it continued to work. I believe in another thread, @VUEROiD explained the method they use to protect the S1 4K and ensure the maximum possible recording time.

Knowing at what temperature a dash camera will operate is important. However, it is more important to understand how the dashcam protects itself in excessively high heat, and what level of video recording is still maintained.

 

[Onetenner]

My 'wish-list' is quite simple, could you package a screenless S1 in something like a D20 case?

 

[qusejr2]

That would be a good idea. Please make sure you include various currencies to make it easier for your potential customers.
For me that would mean including the Australian price and ideally purchasing it with Australian dollars.

On another note:
Has there been any Real world testing of how it handles high temperatures?

Today it's 39c in Melbourne. I have 4x dashcams in the car just to see if they will start when left in the sun.

I'm happy to add another if Vueroid is interested. It would be my first experience with a Korean product.

70-80c cabin temp! No wonder it feels f really hot lol

we did high temperature testing using chamber (for more accurate high temperature testing). Guaranteed operating temperature is different according to channel configuration. (3 ch : 65, 2ch :70).
In case of parking mode , if the cabin temp is 75, The S1 will work for a while ( about 20 ~30min) and change to ELPM(low power mode) , and check the temp every 30 min , and if the temperature is lower , it work with normal parking mode, if not it work with ELPM. ( Actually , we check the internal temperature(S1) whether the temp is safe for operation or not , the internal temperature is affected by external temperature and how long the S1 is working-during operation S1 make heat itself, so S1 can work normal for a while even at 75 temp). During ELPM mode, it can work even at 90 temp, during ELPM mode, S1 doesn't make heat itself, it just sleep and monitor the impact. for make more clear understanding , if user park very hot sommer with motion parking mode, S1 will enter motion parking mode and will monitor motion about 30 min and change to ELPM mode , and after 30 min later S1 will wake up and motion monitor about 30 min and change to ELPM mode , and after sun goes down and the cabin temp goes down under 70 temp(2ch configure) , the S1 will work with motion parking mode.

 

[qusejr2]

My 'wish-list' is quite simple, could you package a screenless S1 in something like a D20 case?

we are planing to similar concept of product base on D21 formfit

 

[Onetenner]

Excellent - I'll wait!
To be honest, I wish I'd have found this site when I'd decided I needed to upgrade my dashcam and spent a bit more time looking at review images.
Having gone from a Thinkware Q850 to A U3000 Pro (returned) to a ARC 900, not being entirely happy with the amount of windscreen space required or image quality I changed brand to Blackvue - image quality is much better than the U3000 Pro (and probably on a par with the ARC 900), as is the amount of screen space the Elite 9 takes up - but to my mind, and having watched more videos of dashcam recordings than is probably healthy for me!, I think Vueroid image processing quality is currently way ahead of the others in my small list of contenders (I try not to buy Chinese where possible as a personal preference).
For me, I discounted the S1 because the camera is simply too big and lacks the aesthetics of The Elite 9 or Vueroid D20's, A discreet version of the S1 would be - based upon current image and processing quality - my ideal dashcam.
As ever, the more you read and watch, the harder an informed decision can be!, it's also useful to watch the development of new models (we're all beta testers nowadays!) once released into the wild.

 

[LateralNW]

Thank you for such a detailed technical reply.
It seems the only thing Vueroid could do to improve the S1 is to make a mil spec unit!

we did high temperature testing using chamber (for more accurate high temperature testing). Guaranteed operating temperature is different according to channel configuration. (3 ch : 65, 2ch :70).

if the cabin temp is 75, The S1 will work for a while ( about 20 ~30min) and change to ELPM(low power mode) , and check the temp every 30 min

It's great that the S1 doesn't just shutdown when it's hot but instead uses it's built in capabilities to fall back on. That's great

so S1 can work normal for a while even at 75 temp).

ELPM mode, it can work even at 90 temp

90c is a bold claim but based on your testing, is a claim I can believe.

S1 will enter motion parking mode and will monitor motion about 30 min and change to ELPM mode , and after 30 min later S1 will wake up and motion monitor about 30 min and change to ELPM mode , and after sun goes down and the cabin temp goes down under 70 temp(2ch configure) , the S1 will work with motion parking mode.

I love that you have designed the unit to not give in to heat but switch to less heat generating solutions.
The best part is it will keep attempting to return to normal settings when the temperature drops.

The S1 has the potential to become the number-one bestseller; however, as we all know, even well-implemented, high-quality technology does not always win in the world of advertising.

Thanks again for the technical reply.

Next project consider an open source 4g solution so files can be sent to the storage device like dropbox etc. instead of propriety methods. 😁

 

[LateralNW]

and what were the results with those four dashcams in that 80 °C cabin temperature?

and what were the results with those four dashcams in that 80 °C cabin temperature?


The Vueroid really does not need a 'real-world test', to be honest. However, I have had the dashcam operating at 68 °C,

They all started and worked as expected. What the exact temperature was i don't know as i don't have temperature gauges installed.

I don't know why you didn't reply sooner given you are using the dashcam in 68c.

That is what i consider real world testing.

I understand where you’re coming from, given your experience and what Vueroid has shared here. My only thought is that, in general, in-house testing doesn’t always tell the whole story, which is why real-world testing can still be useful.
The other point is some companies may say they have tested it but it's only spin.

Vueroid has shown they are taking this seriously and it's great to see.

 

[lufa6977]

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90c is a bold claim but based on your testing, is a claim I can believe.

It was not a bold claim.

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The S1 has the potential to become the number-one bestseller; however, as we all know, even well-implemented, high-quality technology does not always win in the world of advertising.

I suppose you are referring to other brands that frequently roll out over-hyped, under-performing, buggy technology and have frequent support requests here on DCT? That is not how VUEROID operates. Nothing is ever bug-free, except maybe:

#include <stdio.h>
int main() {
   printf("Hello World!");
   return 0;
}

and even then there may be an issue with stdio.h 🙂

Do understand that VUEROID does not intentionally hype or exaggerate their product line. They are not building dashcams for sales only for today, driven by the whims of people who themselves cannot implement hardware or software designs. VUEROID is building for a long-term presence in the dashcam market by providing a solid product.

Next project consider an open source 4g solution so files can be sent to the storage device like dropbox etc. instead of propriety methods. 😁

Why? A lot of security could be lost, but why do that, because someone simply wants it?

 

[lufa6977]

They all started and worked as expected. What the exact temperature was i don't know as i don't have temperature gauges installed.

I don't know why you didn't reply sooner given you are using the dashcam in 68c.

That is what i consider real world testing.

I understand where you’re coming from, given your experience and what Vueroid has shared here. My only thought is that, in general, in-house testing doesn’t always tell the whole story, which is why real-world testing can still be useful.
The other point is some companies may say they have tested it but it's only spin.

Vueroid has shown they are taking this seriously and it's great to see.

Going by memory, I have posted my temps in my thread and maybe another, I would need to go back and find those posts. I think another user here has done so as well. I don't spend much time here anymore due to other commitments, only pop in now and then for the random comment and to read DM's sent to me.

Real-world testing is good to have, but like any non-scientific or non-biased testing, the results can vary. But still, I would consider the results posted by most folks to be valid. Honestly, a heat chamber is about as good as it gets, as you can induce convective flow and wavering temperatures.

I think that dashcam users need to understand that they are dealing with electronics that, by design, have limited ability to withstand extended periods of high heat. This has to do with the quality of the components used during manufacturing. I have worked on boards in the $200,000 range, and they seldom fail, no matter the heat or cold; I don't think our dashcams at the price we pay for them should be expected to have this level of quality.

If all the dashcams use the same Novatek processor, they all share the same heat limitations. Each dashcam manufacturer can mitigate that heat via software and limited hardware cooling. I say limited because it is not really feasible to put a fan in a dashcam, or to have a heatsink extend well past the body of the dashcam. I would rather have a dashcam, such as the S1 4K, which ensures hardware and video integrity during extreme heat and lasts for years, than a dashcam that forces operation in extreme heat and fails within one or two years.