Vueroid Meetup - March 2025

[Chuck McCoy]

Next week James Kim, (far right in photo) and a Tuning Engineer from @Vueroid will be visiting California, (Jessie Lee far left).
We met James at SEMA 2024 & CES 2025, and he remembered I was in the area.
We’re going to meetup to talk about dash cams.
Since @rcg530 lives down the street he will also be in attendance.
If you have questions for James, or the Tuning Engineer post here, and I’ll report back best I can.
-Chuck
@safedrivesolutions
@Vortex Radar
@seattledashcams
@Ted@SafeDriveSolutions

 

[Chuck McCoy]

Q: I understand you already have operations in Los Angeles, CA.
Do you have plans to establish Design & Manufacturing facilities in California?
It would be nice to see “Made in USA” stamped on the box.

 

[Augustus]

Q: I understand you already have operations in Los Angeles, CA.
Do you have plans to establish Design & Manufacturing facilities in California?
It would be nice to see “Made in USA” stamped on the box.

Lol why would that happen, cheaper to do business in Asia than USA. Tarrifs just make things worse now

 

[lufa6977]

Unlikely to see "Made in the USA", especially in California. As I recall, California was one of the States that required the entire component to be, including raw resource manufacturing to be entirely from the USA. There have been several law suits in California due to that issue. This is in part what led to the moniker "Made in the USA of domestic and foreign parts", or similar wording.

Made in Asia, even with tariffs, will likely still be less expensive than made in the USA.

 

[Nigel]

Unlikely to see "Made in the USA", especially in California. As I recall, California was one of the States that required the entire component to be, including raw resource manufacturing to be entirely from the USA. There have been several law suits in California due to that issue. This is in part what led to the moniker "Made in the USA of domestic and foreign parts", or similar wording.

Made in Asia, even with tariffs, will likely still be less expensive than made in the USA.

And you now have the problem that any production has to be on a small scale, only for USA purchase, and thus expensive. You can't export what is produced, because other countries are retaliating with tariffs and mainly unofficial sanctions that no company is going to want to get involved in. Better to produce in a country that has a free trade deal with USA, such as Canada, Mexico, ... 🤔 Well for now South Korea, but that is where Vueroid already has a factory!

 

[lufa6977]

And you now have the problem that any production has to be on a small scale, only for USA purchase, and thus expensive. You can't export what is produced, because other countries are retaliating with tariffs and mainly unofficial sanctions that no company is going to want to get involved in. Better to produce in a country that has a free trade deal with USA, such as Canada, Mexico, ... 🤔 Well for now South Korea, but that is where Vueroid already has a factory!

South Korea may be next, apparently they are 4x higher on tariffs than the U.S.; what Trump is doing is creating a situation where the manufacturers that left the U.S. for cheap labor in other countries, will be forced to return to the U.S. and begin manufacturing in the U.S. again.

I would like to see that, and see the "Made in America" or similar again.

If @Vueroid chose to assemble their dash cams from "foreign and domestic products" in the U.S., I would not mind paying a bit more for the dash cam.

 

[Julian23]

I would like to see that, and see the "Made in America" or similar again.

I would like to see Made in Germany 🙂

And yet we all know that either of these are extremely unrealistic with the current supply chains we have.

 

[Nigel]

the manufacturers that left the U.S. for cheap labor in other countries, will be forced to return to the U.S. and begin manufacturing in the U.S. again.

There was a reason they left!

If @Vueroid chose to assemble their dash cams from "foreign and domestic products" in the U.S.,

The desire to become the worlds cheap assembly factory, while shifting the high paid design jobs to places like South Korea and China seems a little odd; but that is what is happening.

I see TSMC is building two new semiconductor assembly factories in Arizona, while the high tech chip design jobs are heading to Taiwan. The $0.1 trillion investment may seem a big figure to Trump, he was on the news announcing it the other day, but to TSMC, these are cheap factories, they would cost a lot more if located at home in Taiwan.

Most countries recognise that it is best to participate in global trade, removing all the trade barriers, clearly Trump sees things differently to the majority 🤔

We will find out if it was a good plan, at some point in the future...

I would like to see Made in Germany 🙂

And yet we all know that either of these are extremely unrealistic with the current supply chains we have.

Why not, Germany is actually a major manufacturer of PCBs, you just don't realise it! Most of them go into vehicles, but that is where dashcams go, a dashcam built to automotive standards, so that it lasts the lifetime of a vehicle, would be good.

 

[jsmith]

U.S. Labor (or Western Labor) can never compete with Foreign Production. There's a reason companies go to China. Chinese are plentiful and work for cheap, comparative to salaries that Western Employees demand.

Consumerism says that people want products to be sold at certain price points. Let's say you have two T.V.s have identical features.

T.V. #1 made in China is mass produced Junk, with cheap Chinese components, that will likely die right after the One Year Warranty. It costs 250 Euros.

T.V. #2 is made in Japan with quality components. It costs 500 Euros

More consumers will Opt for TV #1 simply because of price. They figure Technology quickly outdates and if TV #1 functions well enough, and dies after a year, they'll just buy another cheap TV with newer Tech Next Year. TV #2 still has a place for people wanting quality, but the market share will likely be much less.

 

[Augustus]

U.S. Labor (or Western Labor) can never compete with Foreign Production. There's a reason companies go to China. Chinese are plentiful and work for cheap, comparative to salaries that Western Employees demand.

Consumerism says that people want products to be sold at certain price points. Let's say you have two T.V.s have identical features.

T.V. #1 made in China is mass produced Junk, with cheap Chinese components, that will likely die right after the One Year Warranty. It costs 250 Euros.

T.V. #2 is made in Japan with quality components. It costs 500 Euros

More consumers will Opt for TV #1 simply because of price. They figure Technology quickly outdates and if TV #1 functions well enough, and dies after a year, they'll just buy another cheap TV with newer Tech Next Year. TV #2 still has a place for people wanting quality, but the market share will likely be much less.

Hmmm most Japanese TV companies manufacture outside of Japan in places like china. And also lots of Chinese brands now like TCL, hisense etc are getting quite good and quite reliable with their TVs , probably should have used another example lol

 

[jsmith]

Hmmm most Japanese TV companies manufacture outside of Japan in places like china. And also lots of Chinese brands now like TCL, hisense etc are getting quite good and quite reliable with their TVs , probably should have used another example lol

Maybe better example Samsung (South Korea).

Sony (Japanese), Panasonic (Japanese), and Toshiba (Japanese)

 

[lufa6977]

Hmmm most Japanese TV companies manufacture outside of Japan in places like china. And also lots of Chinese brands now like TCL, hisense etc are getting quite good and quite reliable with their TVs , probably should have used another example lol

Indonesia is one such place where Japanese companies go for manufacturing, cheaper there than in Japan.

 

[lufa6977]

Have been trying to think of questions for Vueroid, but until I have their product in hand and play with it, I can't think of much to ask.

 

[Chuck McCoy]

Q: It appears the IR Interior camera cable for the S1 4K Infinite is permanently attached, (not detachable).
Same goes for Rear camera.
Can you make both cables fully detachable from the remote cameras, (not just at the front / main unit)?

 

[Chuck McCoy]

Q: It appears the S1 4K Infinite uses a “sliding switch” to power down the camera.
Can you replace the “sliding switch” with a button that requires a “long press” to power down the camera?

 

[Augustus]

Q: It appears the S1 4K Infinite uses a “sliding switch” to power down the camera.
Can you replace the “sliding switch” with a button that requires a “long press” to power down the camera?

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I'm sure the orders have gone off to the factories and units made already, so unlikely that would happen.

 

[Nigel]

Q: It appears the S1 4K Infinite uses a “sliding switch” to power down the camera.
Can you replace the “sliding switch” with a button that requires a “long press” to power down the camera?

That looks like a nice switch, nice to see a different style on the controls to other brands. Although once installed, you are not going to be able to see it!

Being a proper switch, maybe it turns the power off 100%, while on most dashcams, the power button still uses power once off, to detect when the button is pressed again to turn the camera back on.

I'm not sure why people would actually use the switch, except maybe people entering a military base, where the rules say that their dashcam must be powered off, something you can't do properly with most dashcams because they wake themselves up again next time you start the engine. So this switch may avoid having to pull the power cable out and then mess with trying to plug it back in.

 

[Augustus]

That looks like a nice switch, nice to see a different style on the controls to other brands. Although once installed, you are not going to be able to see it!

Being a proper switch, maybe it turns the power off 100%, while on most dashcams, the power button still uses power once off, to detect when the button is pressed again to turn the camera back on.

I'm not sure why people would actually use the switch, except maybe people entering a military base, where the rules say that their dashcam must be powered off, something you can't do properly with most dashcams because they wake themselves up again next time you start the engine. So this switch may avoid having to pull the power cable out and then mess with trying to plug it back in.

Perhaps it may have something to do with them not using a supercapacitor for their patented file system. Not entirely sure, but it's not intrusive and not in the way so no harm, no foul the way i see it.

 

[TonyM]

I do like that Vueroid are happy to do things their own way, and not necessarily follow everyone else.

 

[lufa6977]

Q: It appears the IR Interior camera cable for the S1 4K Infinite is permanently attached, (not detachable).
Same goes for Rear camera.
Can you make both cables fully detachable from the remote cameras, (not just at the front / main unit)?

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Well; the interior cam is a poor design over all. That blocky, square style will not work for me at all. With a permanently attached cable; the positive side is that attachment does eliminate at least one connector fail point. I will use the S1 as a single camera, if using the interior I will likely use a longer adapter cable and move the camera to the rear of the car, facing forward.

As for the On-Off slide switch, it might have a slightly higher fail rate than a pressure membrane type switch, but frankly, the camera will be hardwired so using the slide switch is something that most users will seldom use.