SG9663DR Installations

[myahway]

if you forget to turn the switch back on the camera won't start, a better method is to use a single pole double through switch and wire one side to ACC and one to B+, when you park and flip the switch the B+ goes to ACC and the camera would turn off, if you forget to turn it back on it would still startup when both ACC wires are powered when you next start the car

Thank you kindly for this alternative sugestion. This way may work for some but not me. With this suggested method I would have to remember to flick the switch back to B+ for it to go into parking mode. I only want it to shut down in my garage. If I get in the habit of flicking the switch back to on right after it shuts down I am golden. Because of where I installed the remote button, I think I am going to get used to seeing the red remote button light and will notice when is not on should I forget to flick my power cutoff switch back on. Maybe in my later years when I forget things I will leave it in the on position all the time, but by then I should not be recording my driving.

 

[jokiin]

whatever works for you I guess, I'm not a fan of having switches that have the potential to have the camera off unintentionally, that's all

 

[myahway]

whatever works for you I guess, I'm not a fan of having switches that have the potential to have the camera off unintentionally, that's all

No perfect solution for everyone. As you told me this previously about switches and potentially forgetting to turn back on. I like my parking set to 6 hours and just do not want to record 6 hours of my garage every time I drive and come home. Not being able to turn it off with the long press on OK button because it is hidden was a small inconvenience that I fixed with my switch. Problem solved for me.

BTW the GPS cord was almost too short for me. I bet it is short for many. Easy to fix with I think 1/4" 3 wire phono plug. I was wondering if the GPS remote needs to be on the dash as I got reception in my garage and my garage is under my house. I have not affixed it yet as maybe it can be put in the A pillar. What do you think?

 

[jokiin]

BTW the GPS cord was almost too short for me. I bet it is short for many. Easy to fix with I think 1/4" 3 wire phono plug. I was wondering if the GPS remote needs to be on the dash as I got reception in my garage and my garage is under my house. I have not affixed it yet as maybe it can be put in the A pillar. What do you think?

the antenna is somewhat directional so needs to face up for best results, can be mounted under the dash though as long as its oriented correctly, a lot of factory GPS are installed like this, often sitting on top of the radio

 

[DT MI]

as maybe it can be put in the A pillar. What do you think?

I've installed the GPS unit vertically a couple of times when installing 'side cams' with no noticeable loss of performance. Possibly a bit longer to get a satellite lock but nothing that jumps out at me. Once I even managed to mount one inverted and it must have been functioning OK as it took me 2 or 3 weeks to notice.

 

[myahway]

the antenna is somewhat directional so needs to face up for best results, can be mounted under the dash though as long as its oriented correctly, a lot of factory GPS are installed like this, often sitting on top of the radio

I've installed the GPS unit vertically a couple of times when installing 'side cams' with no noticeable loss of performance. Possibly a bit longer to get a satellite lock but nothing that jumps out at me. Once I even managed to mount one inverted and it must have been functioning OK as it took me 2 or 3 weeks to notice.

Thank you for the replies. I was able to put it at the base of the A pillar, facing up, and the A pillar trim covers it as the trim has a wide open space at the bottom (curves out to the dash).

 

[DimaV83]

if the tubular design had twin mounts (one at each end) it would be 50% longer, the mount needs to be the distance away from the lens that it is so as not to end up in the field of view

I suppose the size of the tube is OK. Especially if it allows for a much simpler one-board design and better EMI protection. It it just a concept of tube parallel to the windscreen... I really hoped for a "bullet" design - basically the same size, but with lens on the edge (where Street Guardian logo is) and a simple rotating joint in the mount. Which would make mount just a bit more complicated, but the whole front footprint would reduce significantly. Plus, moving the joint to the mount (instead of between the camera and mount) would allow, possibly, to remove several mm from top and bottom. Basically, turning it into a much skinnier shape of Mobius. (perpendicular to the front plane)

 

[Dashmellow]

there's a few issues that needed addressing but one of the main ones is that the new camera is a single board design which offers better EMI performance, the old camera uses 2 PCB's with a ribbon cable between them, it's very hard to shield those cables effectively, this is generally more of an issue with the rear camera than the front with in glass antenna systems in particular

the new design is also made to support some other hardware versions that are coming that were not possible in the old design so a new housing was required regardless, as to the size, it's as small as we could make it while still being able to do what we need, tooling is expensive and we're not in a position to be able to afford multiple versions so we can have a different design for each version if that could have saved some size on one version over another, designs start with the hardware requirement, PCB's, sensors and lenses dictate how much space you have to allocate in the housing as a starting point

Thanks for the explanation. Happy to see improvements and enhancements like that. So, this sounds like the DCPRO rear camera is now obsolete or at least rapidly approaching that state.

 

[Dashmellow]

if the tubular design had twin mounts (one at each end) it would be 50% longer, the mount needs to be the distance away from the lens that it is so as not to end up in the field of view

I don't buy that explanation. It would indeed likely need to be longer (as I said at the beginning of this discussion) but it simply needs to be properly engineered so the swivel mounts at the end are on the same optical plane as the lens bezel or behind it.

 

[myahway]

... I really hoped for a "bullet" design - basically the same size, but with lens on the edge (where Street Guardian logo is) and a simple rotating joint in the mount. Which would make mount just a bit more complicated, but the whole front footprint would reduce significantly.

Then it would protrude more into the cabin and I doubt it could be placed behind the review mirror.

 

[Dashmellow]

If you think about, that Lukas design above is actually very similar in principle to StreetGuardian's very own SG9663DC rear camera lens design!
Except that the SG9663DC design has a larger single base, rather than two small bases to either side of the lens.

The SG9663DC rear camera design with the biggest single large self-adhesive base is probably the most stable, with the Lukas twin-base rear camera design coming second, while the Blackvue/SG9663DR one-sided mounting pad design coming third.

The SG9663DC design also allows for the fitment of a simple C-shaped removable 3D-printed CPL filter; unlike the Lukas design presently as it stands does not allow for a removable CPL filter.

I wonder if the SG9663DC's rear camera design would have gotten the SG9663DR onto the market faster, cheaper, more stylish, more individual, a more stable mount, and more stealthy?

I wonder if the SG9663DC's rear camera can still be wired to the SG9663DR???

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Although it is significantly larger, maybe the new SG9663DR's Blackvue style cylindrical camera design is more heat resistant???

Or maybe the new SG9663DR's cylindrical design can take a much larger glass lens?
Because when I think about it, with a much larger glass lens, the SG9663DC's rear camera design, that triangular wedge would end up being huge in size relative to the size of the circular glass lens???
We'd end up with a huge square 3M self-adhesive pad at the back?

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I think you make some good points, although I believe you may have misunderstood what I said about the Lucas design. I wasn't suggesting a DC lens module could be exactly like it but "along the lines" of the Lucas.
So, while I envision a camera module with a narrow swivel mount on each end rather than a single mount next to it taking up additional real estate on the glass as it is now, I would like to see a full adhesive mounting plate along the back of the tube (and partially hidden like the DCPRO rear camera. I believe it would offer more mounting flexibility and stability. Maybe even have the cable coming out the back of it with a right or left handed plug rather than side mounted. A clever, compact design could be more discreet even if it were the same diameter tube.

My basic impression of the current approach is that it looks like an appendage sticking on the glass rather than a discreet integrated vehicle sensor.

Going way back to the original discussions about this camera when jokiin first announced it two and a half years ago in reply to a question from you, stealthiness and discretion was one the the desired goals. One member said at the time, "Hoping for a sleek and discreet setup with small cameras".

 

[jokiin]

Thanks for the explanation. Happy to see improvements and enhancements like that. So, this sounds like the DCPRO rear camera is now obsolete or at least rapidly approaching that state.

the old camera is still available as an option, there may be cases where it is preferred for a particular installation

 

[jokiin]

I don't buy that explanation. It would indeed likely need to be longer (as I said at the beginning of this discussion) but it simply needs to be properly engineered so the swivel mounts at the end are on the same optical plane as the lens bezel or behind it.

if we wanted to maintain the other aspects such as full rotation, support for the CPL, how it connects etc then the housing would need to be much longer if we had a mount on either end and still wanted to accommodate the different hardware that we will be using with this housing, every design has its pluses and minuses, there's no perfect design that I've ever seen, particularly if you want to work with as many different install scenarios as practical/possible, there are certainly limitations in the old design as well

 

[Dashmellow]

if we wanted to maintain the other aspects such as full rotation, support for the CPL, how it connects etc then the housing would need to be much longer if we had a mount on either end and still wanted to accommodate the different hardware that we will be using with this housing, every design has its pluses and minuses, there's no perfect design that I've ever seen, particularly if you want to work with as many different install scenarios as practical/possible, there are certainly limitations in the old design as well

Like I said from the very beginning, longer would be ok. It would still be more discreet. But sure, no design is perfect, but some are more perfect than others. The old design wasn't too perfect either but that's a different discussion.

 

[Dashmellow]

the old camera is still available as an option, there may be cases where it is preferred for a particular installation

Of course, that's welcome progress, the new camera, regardless of the design!

I just replaced my aging desktop computer with a far more powerful new one but my old one is still in service along side it for various reasons.

 

[jokiin]

I just replaced my aging desktop computer with a far more powerful new one but my old one is still in service along side it for various reasons.

I love that type of upgrade where you then realise just how slow the old one was in comparison

 

[peterharvey]

Can the SG9663DR's cameras be mounted upside down, or it can only be mounted one way up?

Also, are the memory cards Samsung EVO etc?

 

[jokiin]

Can be mounted upside down, there is an invert option for each camera in the settings menu to rotate the video

Memory card will depend on where it's purchased from

 

[peterharvey]

Initially, I thought that for side window mounting, suction cups would be ideal, but then the single pad with two suction cups may not be stable?
Does StreetGuardian make any suction cups specialised for SG9663DR?








Also, has anyone tried to use removable Nano-magic gel tape to fasten SG9663DR to the inside of the rear window sills?
I think this would be a very solid removable mount to glass esp the non-opening rear quarter glass panel, and perhaps the inside of the rear window sills?
Can the removable Nano magic gel tapes withstand the heat from sunlight and heat build-up inside the motor vehicle?

Nano Magic Tape Multifuctional Double-Sided Clear Adhesive Invisible Gel Anti-Slip Removable & Reusable All Purpose Sticky Strips 1, 3, 5 metres for Home Kitchen Wall (1 METRE): Amazon.com.au: Home Improvement

Nano Magic Tape Multifuctional Double-Sided Clear Adhesive Invisible Gel Anti-Slip Removable & Reusable All Purpose Sticky Strips 1, 3, 5 metres for Home Kitchen Wall (1 METRE): Amazon.com.au: Home Improvement

www.amazon.com.au

 

[jokiin]

Would vibrate badly on those suction cups I'm sure, not familiar with the tape you asked about