Andrew Newman
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Unless your car catches on fire as a result of the accident and you can't get out. Then I'm sure you won't be so glad to be in a "cage".Glad the guy on the nurburgring got back up and walked away.
But these videos remind me how I'm glad to be a "cager" so that when I'm doing everything right and someone else screws up, I don't get killed or maimed as a result.
Out of the 21 clips (I don't consider the one of the Nürburgring because it's not a normal road accident), 11 were the "cager's" fault, so it's not really about knowing how to ride or not.
That is the exact reason I quit riding many, many years ago (before I could even drink legally). There was no doubt in my mind that the first bag would be empty long before the second was full enough to carry me through....The trick is to have enough in the second bag to get you through when the first bag suddenly goes empty,...
You may be right about many things but I have 5 dead friends whose only "fault" was to be riding normally. None of them had a chance to react, avoid or escape.I'd somewhat disagree with this. Riding doesn't equate with driving because fault doesn't matter when you're likely going to end up dead if things go pear-shaped. In a cage you will likely survive a crash, but that's reversed when riding. Riding correctly ignores fault for surviving no matter what else happens. I'd say that it is much like a fighter plane in a dogfight or a heart surgeon having very limited time available before the patient can't recover. You have to look for and see everything constantly, imagining what every possibility is while planning what to do should any possibility actually occur. Then you have to react quickly enough when it does go wrong. Repeat that process ten times per second until the kickstand goes down Same as with any mental activity some do better than others but here if you drop below the minimums required, you're dead or worse (and there is worse). Not everyone can ride well even though almost everyone can learn to ride.
Most of these riders expected something else from the drivers without creating options for themselves if that didn't happen-Rider's fault. Most of them didn't seem to try for the best way out of the situation when there was time to at least try, and most of them could actually have made it through better quite easily in the time they had-Rider's fault again. And many of them seemed to be riding well beyond their or their bike's capabilities (the top deadly sin of riding)- Rider's fault yet again. It's a totally different game than driving, which is why so many guy's here who buy their 'dream bike' at middle-age get killed riding; they try to use their lifetime of driving habits and skills to ride thinking that's enough to get them home On a bike you're always at fault to some degree when things go wrong. I speak from years of riding experience here and know whereof I speak.
I heard a pilot put it this way: You have two bags, one is luck and the other is learned skills. The trick is to have enough in the second bag to get you through when the first bag suddenly goes empty, which it will sooner or later most certainly do. Sometimes nothing you can do will be enough but you knew that before you stepped into the c0ckpit so that is yours too.
Phil
I wasn't counting. In a lot of them car drivers were at fault but the bikers were going too fast to have any chance to do anything about it. Just foolish.Out of the 21 clips (I don't consider the one of the Nürburgring because it's not a normal road accident), 11 were the "cager's" fault, so it's not really about knowing how to ride or not.
unfortunately, the odds of getting hurt on a bike are WAY higher than getting trapped in a "cage". most cars have at least 4 ways out (2 doors plus front and back windows), and the odds of ALL of the doors and windows being completely blocked at the same time, or you being pinned inside somehow, are so much lower than the odds of being hurt/killed on a bike... they aren't even in the same ballpark.Unless your car catches on fire as a result of the accident and you can't get out. Then I'm sure you won't be so glad to be in a "cage".
"remember that time my car overheated?"
I like your attitude, but if you do not mind stay away from meThe car was stopped in the road elsewhere when I bailed out, but was afire moving before I stopped. I'd hoped the moving air might blow the flames out but nada. Fire extinguisher was in the trunk which was my only thought ATM, and it wasn't enough. By then the interior was in flames
The car? Meh, no great loss, got lots of years use from it. Hated losing the cam and card though, it had crisper video than my Mobius day or night. Me? This makes the second car that turned to toast while driving it so I knew exactly how loud to scream, er, what to do. AIN'T looking for any more 'overheating' car experiences
Phil
worse, since it burned for quite a while. there was no trace of rubber, plastic or glass left anywhere - not even remnants of wire harnesses. it was like someone had dunked the car in acid and only clean(ish) metal remained... oh, and the rusted steel belts from the tires.Did it look something like my Buick?
Lost a G1WC ,forgot to grab it bailing out. Gonna use the "overheating" phrase if you don't mind.
Phil