Vueroid Meetup - March 2025

I would like to see Made in Germany 🙂

And yet we all know that either of these are extremely unrealistic with the current supply chains we have.

When I was heavy into RC gliders, I purchased a lot of my goodies from Germany and Austria due to the high quality engineering and manufacturing. Seeing a "Made in Germany" or "Assembled in Germany" would give me a high confidence level in the product. I also bought 'niche products' from a few small manufactures in other Euro countries as well. Quality and pride in craftsmanship were always found to be high when dealing with Euro manufacturers.
 
Q: It appears the IR Interior camera cable for the S1 4K Infinite is permanently attached, (not detachable).
Same goes for Rear camera.
Can you make both cables fully detachable from the remote cameras, (not just at the front / main unit)?

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Yikes, that's a major design flaw. Look at the flexing in the interior cable. Over time, that would create a short, and you're left buying a whole new interior unit. I've NEVER seen any dashcam maker create an attached cable before. I would caution @Vueroid to redesign the interior unit with a separate cable.

Can you take a better photo of the Main Unit?
 
When I was heavy into RC gliders, I purchased a lot of my goodies from Germany and Austria due to the high quality engineering and manufacturing. Seeing a "Made in Germany" or "Assembled in Germany" would give me a high confidence level in the product. I also bought 'niche products' from a few small manufactures in other Euro countries as well. Quality and pride in craftsmanship were always found to be high when dealing with Euro manufacturers.

And then there's China, where mass production often takes a backseat to quality.
 
U.S. Labor (or Western Labor) can never compete with Foreign Production. There's a reason companies go to China. Chinese are plentiful and work for cheap, comparative to salaries that Western Employees demand.

Consumerism says that people want products to be sold at certain price points. Let's say you have two T.V.s have identical features.

T.V. #1 made in China is mass produced Junk, with cheap Chinese components, that will likely die right after the One Year Warranty. It costs 250 Euros.

T.V. #2 is made in Japan with quality components. It costs 500 Euros

More consumers will Opt for TV #1 simply because of price. They figure Technology quickly outdates and if TV #1 functions well enough, and dies after a year, they'll just buy another cheap TV with newer Tech Next Year. TV #2 still has a place for people wanting quality, but the market share will likely be much less.
The problem is that Chinese products don't die after a year anymore. And Japanese products are no longer improving as fast as before.
Korea is one of the Asian countries and we are concerned about this point all the way~
 
Well; the interior cam is a poor design over all. That blocky, square style will not work for me at all. With a permanently attached cable; the positive side is that attachment does eliminate at least one connector fail point. I will use the S1 as a single camera, if using the interior I will likely use a longer adapter cable and move the camera to the rear of the car, facing forward.

As for the On-Off slide switch, it might have a slightly higher fail rate than a pressure membrane type switch, but frankly, the camera will be hardwired so using the slide switch is something that most users will seldom use.
a permanently attached cable...
We call it a pigtail-type cable. It gives cons and pros. The pigtail cable will be 8~10cm long only. The extensive cable will be provided freely. Once you install it into the vehicle, I think there will be different opinions. 😉 I hope.
 
Q: It appears the S1 4K Infinite uses a “sliding switch” to power down the camera.
Can you replace the “sliding switch” with a button that requires a “long press” to power down the camera?

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As we have discussed in person, I will be able to explain this after launch how it is useful...
Please give me some time till.
 
As we have discussed in person, I will be able to explain this after launch how it is useful...
Please give me some time till.
another solution is to replace the switch with a spring loaded slide switch the same size etc.
Similar to panzer idea and maintains original case design and easier to implement.
Should have a similar effect to prevent accidental switching.

Cost to re engine would be minimal.
 
@Vueroid

When will the S1 Infinite officially launch?

Any plans to fix the cable design concern on the rear camera? Permanently attached cable is not ideal. If cable develops a short, the whole rear unit needs replaced versus just a cable?
 
I want to give a special thank you to James Kim, and Tuning Engineer, (also named James) for meeting with me and @rcg530

Photo left to right;
Robert, Tuning Engineer James, James Kim, Chuck
 

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South Korea may be next, apparently they are 4x higher on tariffs than the U.S.; what Trump is doing is creating a situation where the manufacturers that left the U.S. for cheap labor in other countries, will be forced to return to the U.S. and begin manufacturing in the U.S. again.

I would like to see that, and see the "Made in America" or similar again.

If @Vueroid chose to assemble their dash cams from "foreign and domestic products" in the U.S., I would not mind paying a bit more for the dash cam.

That, unfortunately will never happen.

Even with tariffs manufacturing in the US is higher cost due to wages, regulations and operational costs. Many companies rely on global supply chains where components and raw materials come from different countries. This reminds me of Dewalt's "made in the USA with global parts". Companies also use automation instead of hiring a large workforce nowadays so that doesn't bring back a lot of jobs. It will create jobs for the automation part, but not large scale. Other countries will retaliate with their own tariff's as we've already seen making it harder to US companies to export goods. We already see this happening. Finally, Companies will just pass the higher prices to the consumers anyway rather than move production.

There are some cases where tariffs work in specific cases. Tariffs helped protect and develop steel and textile industries among others from foreign competition during the industrial growth in the late 1800's. But this is also before global supply chains and automation. Post WWII Japan and S Korea is another example where tariffs worked for them, although to be fair, there was a ton of government and US investment in their industries as well. In 2018 Trump admin imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum imports. US Steel companies benefited in the short term, but it raised costs for industries that buy metals so results are mixed.

During the great depression tariffs were imposed on imports with the goal to project American farmers and manufacturing. This caused other countries to retaliate with their own tariffs. Instead of boosting American industry it drove prices up, hurt exporters and worsened the depression.

My point about the Depression is not to compare because that wouldn't be a good comparison. The world economy is very different today compared the the Depression era. The point is, if tariffs trigger a trade war, it will do more harm than good. It works in specific cases for short term, but it has NEVER brought back large scale manufacturing jobs back and it never will. I already mentioned the 2018 tariff on steel and aluminum imports; I think Bush admin did the same thing with steel tariffs with the same results. Trump admin also imposed tariffs on China in 2019? or 2020 I don't remember exactly. This goal was to push companies to bring production back. Some companies left China, but they didn't come back to the US, they moved to Mexico, India and other countries where labor is still cheap.

Companies prioritize profits over anything else.
They're not going to undo decades of outsourcing.
They will find somewhere else to find cheap labor, even with tariffs operational costs are still higher.

Germany and Japan have strong domestic manufacturing industries not because of tariffs, but because they invest in innovation and high tech industries. What we need in the US is investment in technology, infrastructure and vocational training/education.

Not to go off topic lol any plans for an updated remote dash cam model?
 
That, unfortunately will never happen.

Even with tariffs manufacturing in the US is higher cost due to wages, regulations and operational costs. Many companies rely on global supply chains where components and raw materials come from different countries. This reminds me of Dewalt's "made in the USA with global parts". Companies also use automation instead of hiring a large workforce nowadays so that doesn't bring back a lot of jobs. It will create jobs for the automation part, but not large scale. Other countries will retaliate with their own tariff's as we've already seen making it harder to US companies to export goods. We already see this happening. Finally, Companies will just pass the higher prices to the consumers anyway rather than move production.

There are some cases where tariffs work in specific cases. Tariffs helped protect and develop steel and textile industries among others from foreign competition during the industrial growth in the late 1800's. But this is also before global supply chains and automation. Post WWII Japan and S Korea is another example where tariffs worked for them, although to be fair, there was a ton of government and US investment in their industries as well. In 2018 Trump admin imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum imports. US Steel companies benefited in the short term, but it raised costs for industries that buy metals so results are mixed.

During the great depression tariffs were imposed on imports with the goal to project American farmers and manufacturing. This caused other countries to retaliate with their own tariffs. Instead of boosting American industry it drove prices up, hurt exporters and worsened the depression.

My point about the Depression is not to compare because that wouldn't be a good comparison. The world economy is very different today compared the the Depression era. The point is, if tariffs trigger a trade war, it will do more harm than good. It works in specific cases for short term, but it has NEVER brought back large scale manufacturing jobs back and it never will. I already mentioned the 2018 tariff on steel and aluminum imports; I think Bush admin did the same thing with steel tariffs with the same results. Trump admin also imposed tariffs on China in 2019? or 2020 I don't remember exactly. This goal was to push companies to bring production back. Some companies left China, but they didn't come back to the US, they moved to Mexico, India and other countries where labor is still cheap.

Companies prioritize profits over anything else.
They're not going to undo decades of outsourcing.
They will find somewhere else to find cheap labor, even with tariffs operational costs are still higher.

Germany and Japan have strong domestic manufacturing industries not because of tariffs, but because they invest in innovation and high tech industries. What we need in the US is investment in technology, infrastructure and vocational training/education.

Not to go off topic lol any plans for an updated remote dash cam model?

Totally off topic not that you started it.

Great reply without attacking anyone, nicely done.

Now In regards to the dashcam i noticed in a video the other 2x camera ports are similar to a headphone Jack.
So does this mean the other cameras are analog units?
 
Also

Also the power port is a 5.5mm port so moving away from usb-C ? I know many electric devices and even laptops use the same power connector eg Dell and most of my mains powered stuff.

Does that mean the dash cam doesn't have parking mode? Usually the usb port have a sensing wire. I hires they could use some kind of proprietary plug like Apple likes to do!

And lastly in the video @rcg530 posted of the sema trip he mentioned (Paraphrased and me being slack) that the unit doesn't have a capacitor and due to "the special file system and hidden files" doesn't corrupt the last file if the power is pulled.
That sounds like @Vueroid are using magic unless they're using the .ts or similar file system.

Disclosure:
I haven't read all the posts in this thread ( mainly due to all the maybe's and what ifs and assumptions) so it may have been covered.
 
Also

Also the power port is a 5.5mm port so moving away from usb-C ? I know many electric devices and even laptops use the same power connector eg Dell and most of my mains powered stuff.

Does that mean the dash cam doesn't have parking mode? Usually the usb port have a sensing wire. I hires they could use some kind of proprietary plug like Apple likes to do!

And lastly in the video @rcg530 posted of the sema trip he mentioned (Paraphrased and me being slack) that the unit doesn't have a capacitor and due to "the special file system and hidden files" doesn't corrupt the last file if the power is pulled.
That sounds like @Vueroid are using magic unless they're using the .ts or similar file system.

Disclosure:
I haven't read all the posts in this thread ( mainly due to all the maybe's and what ifs and assumptions) so it may have been covered.
You'll have to check Instagram and what Vueroid have posted here in the forums as to the file system. I can't recall exactly what they said but they seem pretty confident.
 
Vueroid is rather tight lipped about the file system, other than a brief description of its presence. Likely a journaling file system of some type with possible file writes to NV memory and then files moved to the SDXC card would be my guess. On power up there would be a checksum test to validate file system and last file write and then file reconciliation if needed. A bit expensive process wise with multiple channels, but if designed properly from the start then it is doable. But that is all a guess, driven by my curiosity. 🙂
 
Vueroid is rather tight lipped about the file system, other than a brief description of its presence. Likely a journaling file system of some type with possible file writes to NV memory and then files moved to the SDXC card would be my guess. On power up there would be a checksum test to validate file system and last file write and then file reconciliation if needed. A bit expensive process wise with multiple channels, but if designed properly from the start then it is doable. But that is all a guess, driven by my curiosity. 🙂
I think it is a lot simpler than that!
As I understand it, the actual file system is FAT32, or I assume they can use exFAT for larger cards.
The difference to normal dashcams is that they create all the files once, when formatting the disk or after changing the setup, and then never delete or create any more, just overwrite the existing files on looping, thus the FAT tables never get changed, and thus can't get corrupted.
The video files will get corrupted at their ends, but that can be easily fixed when the dashcam restarts, or when the files are played, as happens in Viofo dashcams (they also use Novatek processors).
And lastly in the video @rcg530 posted of the sema trip he mentioned (Paraphrased and me being slack) that the unit doesn't have a capacitor and due to "the special file system and hidden files" doesn't corrupt the last file if the power is pulled.
That sounds like @Vueroid are using magic unless they're using the .ts or similar file system.
Using .ts format would mean the files can be played without being fixed. Don't know if they do that or not, although the files are not .ts files, so probably not.

Compared to a super capacitor dashcam, they are going to lose around a second of video, the second just before impact. If they lose too much then they may loose the critical bit! Somebody needs to test how much is lost when they are available for review, I assume it is not too much, but we will find out...
 

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