The doctors reports were not saying they were provisional deaths. The reports were showing as covid-19 deaths.
If you watched the video that was a press conference from the state house. There was no involvement of any news organization in its presentation.
Here is the daily briefing where the doctor admitted he was not looking at deaths from the disease after being asked the question. Rewind it a minute or so to hear the reporter ask the question.
This section shocked a lot of people including myself. I thought the death rate was based on deaths proven to be caused by the virus. So did many others. A reporter finally asked the right question. In response they were told the deaths being reported were not deaths caused by the virus but were deaths where the virus was present. Many people had no idea the numbers of virus deaths could drop because they thought the cause of death was proven when reported.
The reporter would not have asked that question if the doctor had already made it clear that the death rate being reported was only including possible reasons for the deaths. Yes, by leaving out this one piece of necessary information at the briefings that approach was wrong as it needlessly increases apprehension without explaining clearly that those numbers of death from the virus are certainly to high. Not everyone looks at the CDC depending on information coming from the state.
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I'm sorry
@country_hick but the only thing you are demonstrating here is how clueless you are and that you have a strong tendency to jump to conclusions based on limited facts, limited knowledge and right wing political
confirmation bias.
NOBODY at any time is saying, as you claim, that,
"deaths being reported were not deaths caused by the virus but were deaths where the virus was present". The cause of deaths being reported in people diagnosed with the COVOID-19 are simply not being identified by the MAINE CDC because that is not their mandate, it is the under purview of of the Medical Examiner. But YES
all these people diagnosed and reported with the disease have died from COVIOD-19.
The number of cases has NOT dropped! As clearly explained by the CDC the reported numbers are PROVISIONAL and they can go UP or DOWN as the data continues to be reported, analyzed and confirmed. That is why the data is "PROVISIONAL". It is clearly stated by the CDC that the numbers can go UP
or DOWN. These are interim numbers as they are being compiled as they filter in.
The CDC cautions that the data is incomplete and will be revised on an ongoing basis. For weird reasons all your own, you still see a conspiracy theory even though it has been pointed out to you that your claims have been debunked by numerous impartial sources.
According to your absurd takeaway from the MAINE CDC press conference,
"If while infected I was hit by a bus and died instantly it would be reported as a corona virus death."
NO IT WOULD NOT! It would be reported as a pedestrian traffic fatality.
It would be no different than if a person with diabetes was hit by a bus. The dead diabetic would be listed as a pedestrian traffic fatality. His underlining health problems would have nothing to do with his cause of death.
You obviously have no idea what role medical examiners and coroners play in determining and reporting causes of death.
You obviously have no idea
how or why deaths are reported the way they are or how official death certificates work.
So when your CDC director says, we are reporting when people
diagnosed with COVID-19 pass away, they are correctly not reporting a
cause of death because that is the job of the medical examiner who will investigate many factors in reaching a conclusion and the medical examiner is
the only person legally authorized to sign the required death certificate after specifying a cause for the death. We know this because Dr. Nirav Shah, your CDC Director explicitly points that out when he answers the reporters question in the video you linked.
You obviously have no idea what people who have COVID-19 are
actually dying from.
There is a
growing and varied list of direct causes of death due to COVID-19. It is turning out to be a very complex disease. People with severe coronavirus disease are dying from acute respiratory failure, pneumonia, single and multiple organ failure, heart failure, kidney failure, blood clots, strokes, sepsis, secondary bacterial infections, acidosis and a few other things.
So these deaths
"were deaths where the virus was present" but your claim that they were
"not deaths caused by the virus" is completely wrong
. These deaths
were indeed "caused by the virus" but for different medical reasons. And this is where your interpretation of the MAINE CDC Director's press conference remarks are incorrect and where your logic fails.
On EVERY death certificate the Medical Examiner is required to enter an "Immediate Cause of Death" (ICOD) and an "Underlying Cause of Death" (UCOD).
So, for example, for a person who dies from a myocardial infarction (heart attack) The myocardial infarction (heart attack) would be listed as the ICOD (Immediate Cause of Death) and atherosclerosis (coronary artery disease) would be the UCOD (Underlying Cause of Death).
The medical examiner is the one tasked with determining the cause of death or presumed cause of death for legal purposes. As stated by the MAINE CDC Director they are
ONLY reporting the number of people who died after a diagnosis of COVID-19.
Here are a couple of sample Death Certificates provided by the CDC for specific individual patient scenarios. Each and every COVOID-19 death is different.
COVID-19 will
ALWAYS be the "Underlying Cause of Death" (UCOD)
These sample forms are to be found on the document
Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19) Centers for Disease Control and Prevention • National Center for Health Statistics • National Vital Statistics System. There's even a smartphone app you can download. (although I don't know if you need official credentials to access the app's functionality)
So, let's be clear
@country_hick, in your previous post on this matter you claimed:
"The corona virus death number (in the USA) is a scam."
It has been well established that it is
NOT a "SCAM". There is NO conspiracy.
You state: "Everyone thought they were reporting deaths caused by corona."
They ARE reporting deaths caused by coronavirus.
You state: "Instead in accordance with CDC procedure they are reporting all deaths WITH corona." (In all fairness, I believe your CDC Director did not do a complete and articulate job of explaining the answer he was giving to the reporter. He could have explained that people dying WITH corona virus are dying FROM different COVID-19 caused morbidities but it is not his job to report those . I believe this may be adding to your confusion).
But YES they ARE indeed
reporting deaths caused by coronavirus except that you are apparently clueless about how
ALL deaths are reported to the CDC and why.
It's curious that people on the far right are claiming both that the CDC is lowering the number of coronavirus cases and also over-reporting the numbers for political purposes. Obviously, you can't have it both ways. Go figure!
But anyone who really thinks
"The corona virus death number (in the USA) is a scam." should take a good hard look at the refrigerated trucks parked outside many of the hospitals because they don't have the morgue space to store the bodies of the dead or witness the mass burials taking place on Hart Island in New York City's potters field where they are temporarily placing as yet unclaimed bodies they otherwise don't have the capacity for.
Hart Island has a fascinating history going back to the 19th century and it is where many of the victims of the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic are buried.
Refrigerated temporary morgue trucks for COVID-19 victims parked outside a NYC hospital.
And you're getting the same thing with Covid-19; news reports sensationalize and there's funding being distributed based on how many cases are somewhere. In the 'footnoted' reports, that format has been in place for ages, and the professionals who it is aimed at know and understand that they need to refer to those footnotes while most of the public does not.
Your brain is supposed to be doing more than keeping your ears apart, so use it!
but it's not always obvious. Sometimes artificially so 
