Philips 810 opinion

[Languy99]

Hey all, it's been a while since I have been in the market for a camera. Currently I have the möbius original and it has been very faithful to me for the last 3-4 years. It's been in multiple cars and has done a good job. But I have never been happy with the night capability and the lens angle. So I have been looking for a new camera and saw the Philips 810 and saw some test footage at night and it looked great. What is everyone's opinion on this camera? I am looking to stay under 200usd on my next camera. If anyone has other suggestions I should look at let me know. To me performance and stealth are number one over crazy options like wifi and all that.

 

[russ331]

Mobius went on sale in July 2013. The current wide angle Mobius C2 performs better at night than the Mobius A that you own.

The Philips was reviewed by Techmoan ...

It's generated no interest here, & I cannot think of anyone that owns one. Given your budget & wants, I suggest you consider the SG9665GC & SGZC12RC.

 

[Languy99]

Let me ask this question , what is the best possible dash cam no matter the price? Video quality bring most important followed by stealth.

 

[kamkar]

SGZC12RC i think, but you will need to stash the main unit somewhere, if you dont have too much in the glove box thats a fine place to stash it.

You might be able to use other cameras too, that depend on the layout of your windscreen and RVM, but in general the SGZC12RC will be the best camera and have the largest chance of making a discreete install in any car.

 

[Languy99]

What about the joovuu x? I like the form factor and looks like it has everything I would want.

 

[Street Guardian USA]

What about the joovuu x? I like the form factor and looks like it has everything I would want.

JooVuu X is good now that it's maturing a bit. Latest firmware and app is pretty solid.

 

[kamkar]

True, but the X cam lag a little in night performance against a solid build dashcam based on the Sony IMX 322 CMOS.
I like my x cam and i am not too bothered with the slightly lesser night performance, besides all current dashcams dont have the night or even just low light performance i would like to see.
The less than desireable night performance of current dashcams is all based on hardware not beeing able to do all we ask of it, and offcourse there is allso cameras that have a less than optimal hard & firmware combination and so allso lag a little compared to a camera with same hardware but a optimal tweaked firmware.

All that beeing said and with the ever present cheap mobius lurking in the shadows, i am still willing to pay top dollar for a camera, and dooing that i allso expect the camera to be there for me when i need it.

 

[Languy99]

Well some of the best night performance I have seen was from the Sony action cam, it was clear and very visible but I'm not sure as to the possibility to use it in the car.

 

[jokiin]

Well some of the best night performance I have seen was from the Sony action cam, it was clear and very visible but I'm not sure as to the possibility to use it in the car.

action cams are generally used for recording short bursts, 20 minutes or so at a time and do that very well, put them in a situation where you want then to record for hours on end though and they don't fare so well, great products, but wrong tool for the job

 

[Languy99]

I have been reading and from what I can tell the best in a camera is as follows:
Sony IMX 322
A7 processor
7 layer lens
with a lens at of at 2.0 aperture but lower is better for low light.

Anything like that out there that matches under 150?

 

[jokiin]

A7 has some strengths, has some weaknesses also, it performs better with the OV4689 than it does with the IMX322 though

 

[niko]

I have been reading and from what I can tell the best in a camera is as follows:
Sony IMX 322
A7 processor
7 layer lens
with a lens at of at 2.0 aperture but lower is better for low light.

Anything like that out there that matches under 150?

Specs on the paper does not always represents actual results. Ot's all depends on how well is firmware tuned up to get most out of hardware used. Also lens aperture can be miskeading some time. For example even some cheaper F1.6 can perform worse than expencive F2.0. Its depends how good quality lens used. Some F2.0 cost 3-5$, some can reach 100$.

 

[-Pizdys-]

Philips 810 NOVATEK 96650 + SONY IMX322

Philips ADR810 vs DOD Champion SP1 ver. 2015-10 (upgraded LS460W):

Philips ADR810 Pros:
+built-in capacitor
+emergency button in charger (clever idea!)
+156deg view angle lens
+64GB mmc looks fine at exFAT <LOL>#
+720p@60FPS has real 60FPS ( I never seen that works on DOD)
+ ISO 6400

Cons:
-poor microphone (mine version has the same problem like techmoan) :/
-Cheap plastic
- G-Sensor extremely sensitive...even if set on low...
- very ratle/not stable 3M windscreen mount
- no GPS

DOD Champion SP1 Pros:
+ looks like has Anti Glare lens
+ 64GB and 128GB mmc works just fine (FAT32)...
+ the world first 10Hz GPS antenna?
+ very accurate and stable GPS
+ advanced speed measurement (0-100km/h,100-200km/h,60-250km/h,0-60mph,0-120mph...) etc...

cons:
- battery (I prefer capacitor)
- not much difference between LS460W apart Anti Glare lens and firmware changes for measurement GPS... good for racing/rushing people I suppose

I still testing both of these cameras...
so far, picture qualit quality looks like below:

[due to different view angle lens, picture looks like is more far away @Philips ADR810..]

more comparations, visit there:

https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/threa...ation-by-pisdys-most-popular-dash-cams.14374/

 

[jokiin]

@Pizdys did you open the Philips up at all?

 

[Languy99]

Stupid question but why don't don't dash cam manufacturers do what security camera companies have done and use two lenses. One optimised for day time and another for night with different sensors and everything,

 

[jokiin]

Stupid question but why don't don't dash cam manufacturers do what security camera companies have done and use two lenses. One optimised for day time and another for night with different sensors and everything,

the market hasn't even worked out that buying one is a good idea yet, wait until it evolves a bit more and you might see some more specialist offerings

 

[Languy99]

the market hasn't even worked out that buying one is a good idea yet, wait until it evolves a bit more and you might see some more specialist offerings

Sorry but I find that hard to believe. First off you can buy a outdoor dual lens wireless ip with ir led for under 100 right now so cosy should not be a big factor. I see something designed like the joovuu x maybe a little thicker with two lenses side by side. Dual lenses with dual image sensors each optimised for their own task and one processor. The camera only records from one lens at a time. I foresee the hardest thing being is to decide when to change from one lens to another. Unlike home cameras the lighting conditions in a car are dynamic but you could use image processing and when a certain percent of the image is dark enough for a long enough time it can switch cameras.

As for the market, I don't really think that is a problem. They are becoming much more popular in the USA they are even available in brick stores now, combine that with popularity in Russia, South Korea and a few other places and I think someone coming out with a camera that can handle day and night just equally well will make a killing on the market.

 

[Languy99]

Philips 810 NOVATEK 96650 + SONY IMX322

Philips ADR810 vs DOD Champion SP1 ver. 2015-10 (upgraded LS460W):

Philips ADR810 Pros:
+built-in capacitor
+emergency button in charger (clever idea!)
+156deg view angle lens
+64GB mmc looks fine at exFAT <LOL>#
+720p@60FPS has real 60FPS ( I never seen that works on DOD)
+ ISO 6400

Cons:
-poor microphone (mine version has the same problem like techmoan) :/
-Cheap plastic
- G-Sensor extremely sensitive...even if set on low...
- very ratle/not stable 3M windscreen mount
- no GPS

DOD Champion SP1 Pros:
+ looks like has Anti Glare lens
+ 64GB and 128GB mmc works just fine (FAT32)...
+ the world first 10Hz GPS antenna?
+ very accurate and stable GPS
+ advanced speed measurement (0-100km/h,100-200km/h,60-250km/h,0-60mph,0-120mph...) etc...

cons:
- battery (I prefer capacitor)
- not much difference between LS460W apart Anti Glare lens and firmware changes for measurement GPS... good for racing/rushing people I suppose

I still testing both of these cameras...
so far, picture qualit quality looks like below:

[due to different view angle lens, picture looks like is more far away @Philips ADR810..]

more comparations, visit there:

https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/threa...ation-by-pisdys-most-popular-dash-cams.14374/

I would say the Philips looks much better at night compared to the DOD and a little better in certain situations at during the day.

 

[jokiin]

Sorry but I find that hard to believe. .

it's still an early adopter product in western markets, the numbers pale into insignificance compared to places like Korea, Taiwan etc, on a per capita basis it's even worse, once the market finds its feet there will be more space for the left field specialist type product, at the moment it doesn't make commercial sense, aside from all that what you're describing is basically a two channel product and right now two channel products aren't particularly great and there's still work needed on the platforms used to get them to the standard needed

 

[RichRC]

Philips 810

Philips ADR810
Philips ADR810 Pros:
+built-in capacitor
+emergency button in charger (clever idea!)
+156deg view angle lens
+64GB mmc looks fine at exFAT <LOL>#
+720p@60FPS has real 60FPS ( I never seen that works on DOD)
+ ISO 6400

I just bought a 810. In the manual it says max SD card is 32GB. What happens if I use a larger SD card (64/128GB)?