VIOFO Launch Event

Chuck McCoy said:
Disagree.
They're doing just fine.
All other manufacturers have been playing catch up since 2019.
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I find Vantrue holds their own just fine against Viofo. Vueroid (never tested) seems to get high praise, too. Catch up is a game that can't be played forever. To remain on the chase, one has to stay in the lead, and VIofo must remain innovative.

Chuck McCoy said:
I fully support Cloud for BlackVue, Thinkware, Vueroid, 70mai, Vantrue.
Just not VIOFO.
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Explain why not with Viofo?

Chuck McCoy said:
wHaT?!?

USA government agencies, (police, courts, etc) are prohibited from downloading / installing 3rd party software to their department issued laptops & computers by their IT departments.
That's why investigations, and court litigation involving evidence is stored, transferred, and viewed on physical media like VHS tapes & DVDs & CDs.
When I was in government service I was prohibited from taking photographs of evidence with my agency issued iPhone, and had to use Digital Camera that stored the photos on those little tiny CD's to be submitted into evidence.
This is because if defense lawyers found out we took evidence photographs, or videos with our iPhone, they would subpoena the actual iPhone into evidence, and we would loose it for however long the case was.
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You're stating the obvious here. I gave police the video on a spare MicroSD card. Clearly, I wasn't turning over my dashcams. Also, I gave them other evidence on a USB thumb drive. Logically, you aren't going to turn over your phone, dashcam, etc unless the police decide to take it. Hence, placing evidence on other physical media.

You're 100% wrong on the second part about entering evidence into trial. Here's a video from an "American Court System" in California explaining the process. Laptops can be used for presenting media. We don't live in the 1990s or early 2000s anymore. Nobody is wheeling a cart with a TV + VCD / DVD Player into a court room these days...

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a 4K crystal clear video we'd love to show you downsampled in VHS (320x480) or DVD (480p)..

 
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jsmith said:
Vantrue holds their own just fine against Viofo
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When I tested original Vanture E1 (IMX335) 2022 against original A119 Mini (IMX335) 2022 I said in my review it felt like Vanture was 2-3 years behind VIOFO in terms of development.
When I tested original Vantrue S1 Pro (IMX675) 2023 against A119 Mini 2 (IMX675) 2023 I said in my review it felt like Vanture was 1-2 years behind VIOFO in development.
When I tested E1 Pro (IMX678) 2025 against A119M Pro (IMX678) 2025 it felt like Vantrue was less than 1 year behind VIOFO in terms of development.
Now that we have Vanture E1 Pro S coming out next month Maybe Vanture will finally close the gap.
jsmith said:
Explain why not with Viofo?
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This deserves a new / separate thread, let me get my notes together.
jsmith said:
I gave police the video on a spare MicroSD card.
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Was this the SD Card in the camera at the time it filmed the incident, or was this a just a copy?
Any good defence lawyer will argue any copy of the original incident / evidence has been modified / adulterated and should be invalidated, and excluded from evidence.
A good defence lawyer will most likely subpoena the original SD Card that was in the camera at the time of filming the incident.
jsmith said:
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a 4K crystal clear video we'd love to show you downsampled in VHS (320x480) or DVD (480p)..
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Image quality is not the issue.
The issue is the original physical piece evidence, and it’s chain of custody as it makes its way into evidence submission.
 
Chuck McCoy said:
This deserves a new / separate thread, let me get my notes together.

Was this the SD Card in the camera at the time it filmed the incident, or was this a just a copy?
Any good defence lawyer will argue any copy of the original incident / evidence has been modified / adulterated and should be invalidated, and excluded from evidence.
A good defence lawyer will most likely subpoena the original SD Card that was in the camera at the time of filming the incident.
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Police took it on a different MicroSD. They DID NOT get my original MicroSD card. Nothing stops any defense lawyer from arguing video ( or any evidence) was doctored, whether or not the video is on the original MicroSD or another MicroSD / USB. That's why judges or juries exist to determine whether the person who captured X evidence is believable and if that evidence is credible.

Chuck McCoy said:
Image quality is not the issue.
The issue is the original physical piece evidence, and it’s chain of custody as it makes its way into evidence submission.
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Chain of custody is more important after police take in the piece evidence in order to document who has handled it, accessed it, viewed it, and catalogued it. Every time evidence is handled, someone has to sign off.
 
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jsmith said:
Testing the E1 Pro S now.
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Is it Pre-Production test unit (DVT)?
Or fully finished retail version, (same as sold to customer)?
 
I heard they won't even entertain a video unless they see 5 mins before and 5 mins after. Is this true?
 
mentadent said:
I heard they won't even entertain a video unless they see 5 mins before and 5 mins after. Is this true?
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Based on that video I posted for the U.S. appears that is inaccurate. Based on what I gave police from the Viofo A139T, and used in a court, never had a problem with the footage length.

Police care more about what's captured to solve a crime, not the production value. I mean videos could be a few seconds or hours in length, depending on the incident.
 
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Looking forward to seeing what benefits the new model has over the existing one.
 
jsmith said:
Based on that video I posted for the U.S. appears that is inaccurate. Based on what I gave police from the Viofo A139T, and used in a court, never had a problem with the footage length.

Police care more about what's captured to solve a crime, not the production value. I mean videos could be a few seconds or length, depending on the incident.
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En España cuando el accidente es lo suficientemente grave o no hay un acuerdo amistoso entre los involucrados se suele requerir la presencia de los llamados " atestados " que son los encargados de recopilar las pruebas y pistas sobre el terreno , si en ese momento se ofrece de terceros una grabación que pueda facilitar la recopilación y esclarecimiento de lo sucedido ,la suelen tener en cuenta para rellenar su parte de informe , aunque no incluyan la grabación como prueba , obviamente en ese momento el agente debe tener claro que ducha grabación es lo suficientemente clara y sin evidencia de duda para que le sirva para cumplimentar su informe .

Después ya en los juicios es otro tema diferente , hay jueces que admiten grabaciones no como prueba evidencial en el 100% de los casos pero si para poder esclarecer lo sucedido o ayudar en caso de lagunas de lo sucedido .

Cada juez es un mundo y no todos admiten las grabaciones , después también aquí en España tenemos la ley de protección de datos y muchas veces el imputado se querella contra el que hizo la grabación por haber violado sus derechos y grabarle sin su consentimiento .

En España por desgracia tenemos la sensación de que se protege más al delincuente que al inocente .
Supongo que tenéis noticias sobre lo que estamos sufriendo en nuestras fronteras ,es un claro ejemplo de nuestra política actual .
 
Y hablando del tema del OP.

Estoy deseando que llegue mañana a ver qué sorpresas nos da Viofo.

Espero que no quite soporte a las SSD ....y más al precio que están actualmente , tengo 2 T SHIELD para usar con las Viofo .
 
PeterGreefent said:
En España cuando el accidente es lo suficientemente grave o no hay un acuerdo amistoso entre los involucrados se suele requerir la presencia de los llamados " atestados " que son los encargados de recopilar las pruebas y pistas sobre el terreno , si en ese momento se ofrece de terceros una grabación que pueda facilitar la recopilación y esclarecimiento de lo sucedido ,la suelen tener en cuenta para rellenar su parte de informe , aunque no incluyan la grabación como prueba , obviamente en ese momento el agente debe tener claro que ducha grabación es lo suficientemente clara y sin evidencia de duda para que le sirva para cumplimentar su informe .

Después ya en los juicios es otro tema diferente , hay jueces que admiten grabaciones no como prueba evidencial en el 100% de los casos pero si para poder esclarecer lo sucedido o ayudar en caso de lagunas de lo sucedido .

Cada juez es un mundo y no todos admiten las grabaciones , después también aquí en España tenemos la ley de protección de datos y muchas veces el imputado se querella contra el que hizo la grabación por haber violado sus derechos y grabarle sin su consentimiento .

En España por desgracia tenemos la sensación de que se protege más al delincuente que al inocente .
Supongo que tenéis noticias sobre lo que estamos sufriendo en nuestras fronteras ,es un claro ejemplo de nuestra política actual .
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Hable como un caso criminal que use mi video y no accidente de carros.
 
PeterGreefent said:
Los casos criminales suelen ser de muchísima más importancia y como tal una prueba visual suele ser muy importante y de gran ayuda .
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Verdad. Policia preocuparse mas como pelicula de criminal con or sin video largo. La pelicula que muestra el crimen es el mas importante elemento.
 
Three of the four products are:

- T330
- T340
- A149 Pro Duo

And references to four-channel systems, so one of them at least must be a four channel.

Also found some references potentially to a standalone A149 Pro and a BP60 battery pack.

I'm predicting more it's the battery pack that's the fourth product.
 
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Since when has Spanish become the official language of dashcamtalk.com???
 
Karagandinez said:
Since when has Spanish become the official language of dashcamtalk.com???
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Existe alguna norma la cual obligue en escribir en inglés en vez de mi idioma nativo ? Yo para leeros a vosotros en Español simplemente pulso en el cuadrado de mi smartphone y no me molesta que si tú quieres escribas en Alemán .

Quitando este ligero detalle lingüístico ,creo que este tema no es para discutir sobre idiomas oficiales del foro ,el cual no existe .
 

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