Vueroid S1-4K Infinite - Test & Review PP

[Chuck McCoy]

@meyelow_Vue
I knew I should have posted the raw / original files in a Google drive for you to employ your "magic".
But I recently lost my high speed internet, so it takes forever to upload video files to my Google drive, and YouTube.

 

[Karagandinez]

I'm also curious about the horizon line adjustment. If I align the dashcam in our Toyota RAV4 to 50% road and 50% sky, the video captures some of the dashboard. I'm not sure if that's okay. My concern is that if there is too much sky in the frame, the road will become a bit underexposed.

If you want your S1-4K to function properly and have good video quality and legible license plates,
I recommend following the manufacturer's recommendations.

Each manufacturer has its own recommendations, and they may differ from those of other manufacturers.

 

[Chuck McCoy]

Random Test Footage (Firmware v1.4.2)

At the request of you know who, I gathered DAYTIME test footage with Vueroid’s new Horizon Line Adjustment recommendation offered in VueroidHUB APP.
The new recommendation is approximately 40% Road / 60% Sky.
For comparison I’ve got Viofo A329S Front, (50% Road & 50% Sky), and the Viofo Telephoto.
Check out the GPS Coordinates & Time on both screenshots.
Jack Trotter III Esq. would say; IDENTICAL!

CAMERA SETTINGS:

S1-4K
Firmware: v.1.4.2
Resolution: 4K30fps
HDR + IPC: Who knows? I can’t be trusted 😔
Bitrate: HIGH (highest setting)
1 Minute File Size: 394MB
CPL Filter: Yes
SD Card: 512GB Vueroid
Power Source: Vueroid 12V Hardwire Cable

A329S
Firmware: V2.0_260104
Resolution: 4K30fps Front
Resolution: 2K30fps Telephoto
HDR: OFF
Bitrate: MAXIMUM (highest setting)
1 Minute File Size: 384MB Front
1 Minute File Size: 172MB Telephoto
CPL Filter: Yes (front & telephoto)
SD Card: 512GB Viofo
Power Source: Viofo HK6 Hardwire Cable

 

[meyelow_Vue]

HDR: OFF

I find it difficult to understand the comparison of footage between HDR+IPC Mode and Normal (Linear) Mode in daytime conditions. I also still believe that Normal Mode is the recommended setting during the day. That is why we recently implemented the Timed IPC mode.
Under sufficient daylight conditions, the strengths of Normal (Linear) Mode cannot be matched by any HDR. Of course, backlighting or reflections that may occasionally occur can be a drawback.
Furthermore, I am curious about the purpose of including a telephoto camera in the comparison. Once the Vueroid telephoto camera is released, I would appreciate it if you could make the comparison at that time.

 

[SafeDriveSolutions]

I love how everyone is overthinking the horizon line on dash cam talk.

all because one member a long time ago said it needs to be 50/50 with no scientific evidence of why.

Really the line should be used as a reference and when installed you should also look at reflections from your dash and make adjustments accordingly.

Now this whole at HDR on and HDR off thing is getting quite cumbersome. Customers are not going to be adjusting everyday and changing timers. This is inadequate from all dash camera manufacturers. The only people it benefits are the tech people on dashcamtalk.

Dash camera manufacturers need to have a better solution 1 setting to rule them all. these extensive settings is what gives the red tigers of the world power. The reason why is because barely any settings and its not overly complicated. My opinion of red tiger is unchanged in terms of quality. However the extensive settings of some of these brands make it too complicated for average customers.

2027 lets have 1 video setting

 

[Chuck McCoy]

@meyelow_Vue said:
I find it difficult to understand the comparison of footage between HDR+IPC Mode and Normal (Linear) Mode in daytime conditions.
@Chuck McCoy said:
Way back when we had the WeChat group chat I asked CTO Kim what setting I should use for all public test footage.
He said to use HDR + IPC at all times (day & night) so that's what I did.

The good news is I have decided to use HDR ON on all VIOFO dash cams from now on, (day & night).
I made a post about it HERE #7

@meyelow_Vue said:
Furthermore, I am curious about the purpose of including a telephoto camera in the comparison. Once the Vueroid telephoto camera is released, I would appreciate it if you could make the comparison at that time.
@Chuck McCoy I included the Telephoto footage just because it was available and it felt like a waste to not include it.
I hope you guys did not make the same mistake with the rear camera, (I hope the Telephoto has optional CPL Filter, and HDR performance that is equal to the front camera).
Also, if customers buy the Telephoto they will want a rear camera instead of the IR interior camera, so I hope you offer an optional 1080p "rear" camera.
This is also why I said it's important to have "remote camera modularity" any remote camera works with any output.
I'm rooting for you, FIGHTING!
-Chuck

 

[Chuck McCoy]

@SafeDriveSolutions said:
all because one member a long time ago said it needs to be 50/50 with no scientific evidence of why.
@Chuck McCoy said:
I was told to use 50/50 when comparing two different dash cams so it makes for an equal comparison by @Mtz and @Nigel
This was the explanation.

When I first tested the prototype Telephoto for A229 Pro, VIOFO told me to use more road than sky.
I thought that meant 60% road 40% sky.
But I later found out 70% road 30% sky works best on the Telephoto.

@SafeDriveSolutions said:
Now this whole at HDR on and HDR off thing is getting quite cumbersome.
Customers are not going to be adjusting everyday and changing timers.
This is inadequate from all dash camera manufacturers.
Dash camera manufacturers need to have a better solution 1 setting to rule them all.
2027 lets have 1 video setting
@Chuck McCoy said:
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

 

[qusejr2]

@meyelow_Vue said:
I find it difficult to understand the comparison of footage between HDR+IPC Mode and Normal (Linear) Mode in daytime conditions.
@Chuck McCoy said:
Way back when we had the WeChat group chat I asked CTO Kim what setting I should use for all public test footage.
He said to use HDR + IPC at all times (day & night) so that's what I did.

The good news is I have decided to use HDR ON on all VIOFO dash cams from now on, (day & night).
I made a post about it HERE #7

@meyelow_Vue said:
Furthermore, I am curious about the purpose of including a telephoto camera in the comparison. Once the Vueroid telephoto camera is released, I would appreciate it if you could make the comparison at that time.
@Chuck McCoy I included the Telephoto footage just because it was available and it felt like a waste to not include it.
I hope you guys did not make the same mistake with the rear camera, (I hope the Telephoto has optional CPL Filter, and HDR performance that is equal to the front camera).
Also, if customers buy the Telephoto they will want a rear camera instead of the IR interior camera, so I hope you offer an optional 1080p "rear" camera.
This is also why I said it's important to have "remote camera modularity" any remote camera works with any output.
I'm rooting for you, FIGHTING!
-Chuck

you'd better to use timed IPC , cuase the linear is the best image quality at daytime . I can't exactly rember when I recommended HDR+IPC S1 support timed IPC or not . ( Maybe at that time S1 was not ready for time IPC)

 

[lufa6977]

I love how everyone is overthinking the horizon line on dash cam talk.

all because one member a long time ago said it needs to be 50/50 with no scientific evidence of why.

Really the line should be used as a reference and when installed you should also look at reflections from your dash and make adjustments accordingly.

....to add insult to injury, there were those here who swore by it, preached it, and ignored others who said otherwise. Recently, I am sure I annoyed other Vueroid testers and employees with my insistence that the recommended setting for the 'horizon' line was too high, as it was causing lens glare on the video. But as you and I discussed, there may be a language barrier in the use of "horizon" and "horizontal line".

Regardless, I set my lens to capture more of the earth and less of the sky. I have no interest in the sky above the traffic signal, only in what is below it.

Now this whole at HDR on and HDR off thing is getting quite cumbersome. Customers are not going to be adjusting everyday and changing timers. This is inadequate from all dash camera manufacturers. The only people it benefits are the tech people on dashcamtalk.

This has been resolved by Vueroid on upcoming releases, in my opinion. I am afraid that a part of the issue is that many in the user base have become more educated about features and are more demanding. It is upon the manufacturer to implement these features in a sane way. What we often have is a clash in the two cultures as to what are the important features and how to implement those features into the GUI. Sometimes I explain it clearly, sometimes I don't. Sometimes, minds are already made up.

 

[lufa6977]

@meyelow_Vue said:
I find it difficult to understand the comparison of footage between HDR+IPC Mode and Normal (Linear) Mode in daytime conditions.
@Chuck McCoy said:
Way back when we had the WeChat group chat I asked CTO Kim what setting I should use for all public test footage.
He said to use HDR + IPC at all times (day & night) so that's what I did.

I have no idea whether that was recommended. If so, that is old news, applied to the firmware release at that time, and is not applicable today. So, it is not even worth mentioning old settings or recommendations, as this adds confusion to the user base.

 

[Chuck McCoy]

@qusejr2 said:
you'd better to use timed IPC, because the linear is the best image quality at daytime.

@SafeDriveSolutions said:
Now this whole at HDR on and HDR off thing is getting quite cumbersome.
Customers are not going to be adjusting everyday and changing timers.
This is inadequate from all dash camera manufacturers.
The only people it benefits are the tech people on dashcamtalk.
Dash camera manufacturers need to have a better solution 1 setting to rule them all.
However the extensive settings of some of these brands make it too complicated for average customers.
2027 lets have 1 video setting

@Chuck McCoy said:
Like Ben said, I’m getting fed up with all the settings, and timers.
The average consumer will perform initial settings during installation, and most likely never touch the dash cam again until they need to download a video after an incident.
Settings need to be “set it & forget it”.
Moving forward I will only be using one setting for gathering all test footage for comparison.
Obviously HDR + IPC on, (day & night) is going to be the best compromise.
Not interested in any timers.
Maybe one day HDR tuning will be so good it can be left on all the time.
-Chuck

 

[Karagandinez]

Maybe one day HDR tuning will be so good it can be left on all the time.

Perhaps one day this will happen, but at the moment you can’t do without a timer if you want to see legible license plates of oncoming cars on video, day and night.
It's worth remembering that the timer was added at user request.
Those who don't care about the timer don't have to use it.
Just don't ask manufacturers to remove it from the settings.

 

[lufa6977]

Perhaps one day this will happen, but at the moment you can’t do without a timer if you want to see legible license plates of oncoming cars on video, day and night.
It's worth remembering that the timer was added at user request.
Those who don't care about the timer don't have to use it.
Just don't ask manufacturers to remove it from the settings.

Precisely that. Users here and on other social media wanted better images, license plate capture, beautiful skys...they wanted the cinematic experience from a 4K dashcam. Then they complain because they can't master the settings the manufacturer provided to improve the image. If testers are not prepared to use those settings and provide valid information to users, they should stick with 37-dollar Alibaba dashcams. This is the same with a CPL. Owners use one, or they do not. If they use a CPL, then they need to know the image will appear differently on the video, and they may need to adjust settings for day and night driving.

High-end dashcams are not a point-and-shoot camera. Owners have to learn to use them; if they are not willing to do this, they should stick with a dash cam with fewer features, but that still provides a video image to provide a witness video.

 

[qusejr2]

Perhaps one day this will happen, but at the moment you can’t do without a timer if you want to see legible license plates of oncoming cars on video, day and night.
It's worth remembering that the timer was added at user request.
Those who don't care about the timer don't have to use it.
Just don't ask manufacturers to remove it from the settings.

I agree with this opion. and we will keep on studying how to solve it ( for example , get a sunset / sunrise DB all region and set it automatically .. in the future)