Is there such thing as a side view dashcam? (For your car doors)

[Dashmellow]

I prefer the pink ones from Ireland:

And the purple versions:

But for this time of year, this is more appropriate:

Colored bale wrap is not something you ever see in use here in New England and it may be a questionable practice.

The technology of agricultural bale wrap is a highly technical anaerobic fermentation process involving specific moisture content, specifically regulated temperature ranges and a specific mix of microbes. The tubular plastic material used is a three layer laminated polyethylene that is white on the outside for maximum reflectivity, a center oxygen penetration/moisture retaining barrier and an opaque black inner layer to prevent light from degrading the nutrients in the silage.

These bales are white for a reason. Darker colored plastics, especially the black material absorbs quite a lot of heat which will produce hotter temps in the bag which then disrupts the fermentation process leading to molds, poor palatability, decreased feed efficiency and potential adverse health effects on the livestock. Black silage wrap can also lead to intense pressures building up inside the bales which can cause bursting and potential injury, plus black silage wrap films are reported to get hot enough sitting out in the sunshine that when combined with the heat of fermentation have even lead to spontaneous combustion under certain circumstances.

"Recent research suggests that farmers should wrap bales with light-colored plastic rather than darker colors. “Farmers who use darker plastic will see it break down more quickly than those who use lighter-colored material. The darker plastic breaks down faster in the summer heat and sun, making it more permeable to oxygen and limiting the fermentation process.”

I'm certainly no expert in this field but a friend of mine is a specialist who works for the USDA and who would know all about this subject. He's currently in Afghanistan working with local farmers there to help modernize their practices. Next time I see him I will ask about the pros and cons of colored bale silage wrappings. There could be reasons for the use of different colors to be acceptable under certain situations according to the crops involved, the particular climate environment and the intended uses of the silage. New England farmers only use white plastic for "haylage".

The pink stuff you are so enamored with in Ireland is apparently a novelty item intended to promote The Irish Cancer Society. Dairygold Pink Agri Stretch Silage Wrap - "Wrap It Pink" this silage season with Dairygold Pink Agri Stretch Silage Wrap.... "For every roll of pink wrap purchased, a donation will be made to The Irish Cancer Society. This distinctive high quality, Irish made wrap is designed to create cancer awareness in rural Ireland as well as raising much needed funds for the Irish Cancer Society." The vendor selling this pink stuff claims that it reflects heat well.

 

[Nigel]

Colored bale wrap is not something you ever see in use here in New England and it may be a questionable practice.

The technology of agricultural bale wrap is a highly technical anaerobic fermentation process involving specific moisture content, specifically regulated temperature ranges and a specific mix of microbes. The tubular plastic material used is a three layer laminated polyethylene that is white on the outside for maximum reflectivity, a center oxygen penetration/moisture retaining barrier and an opaque black inner layer to prevent light from degrading the nutrients in the silage.

These bales are white for a reason. Darker colored plastics, especially the black material absorbs quite a lot of heat which will produce hotter temps in the bag which then disrupts the fermentation process leading to molds, poor palatability, decreased feed efficiency and potential adverse health effects on the livestock. Black silage wrap can also lead to intense pressures building up inside the bales which can cause bursting and potential injury, plus black silage wrap films are reported to get hot enough sitting out in the sunshine that when combined with the heat of fermentation have even lead to spontaneous combustion under certain circumstances.

I'm certainly no expert in this field but a friend of mine is a specialist who works for the USDA and who would know all about this subject. He's currently in Afghanistan working with local farmers there to help modernize their practices. Next time I see him I will ask about the pros and cons of colored bale silage wrappings. There could be reasons for the use of different colors to be acceptable under certain situations according to the crops involved, the particular climate environment and the intended uses of the silage.

The pink stuff you are so enamored with in Ireland is apparently a novelty item intended to promote The Irish Cancer Society. Dairygold Pink Agri Stretch Silage Wrap - "Wrap It Pink" this silage season with Dairygold Pink Agri Stretch Silage Wrap.... "For every roll of pink wrap purchased, a donation will be made to The Irish Cancer Society. This distinctive high quality, Irish made wrap is designed to create cancer awareness in rural Ireland as well as raising much needed funds for the Irish Cancer Society." The vendor selling this pink stuff claims that it reflects heat well.

Here in the UK we have been using black plastic on bales for about 20 years and long before that we used black plastic on the silage clamps, I assume so that it absorbs enough heat from the sun to get the fermentation process working. I guess your white ones are for a hotter climate. New Zealand uses purple ones to indicate that they are not to be eaten by dairy cows since they contain grass grown with the help of human waste from the sewage water treatment process!

 

[Dashmellow]

Here in the UK we have been using black plastic one bales for about 20 years and long before that we used black plastic on the silage clamps, I assume so that it absorbs enough heat from the sun to get the fermentation process working. I guess your white ones are for a hotter climate. New Zealand uses purple ones to indicate that they are not to be eaten by dairy cows since they contain grass grown with the help of human waste from the sewage water treatment process!

We are actually in a dramatically colder climate than the UK, especially in the winter. As I mentioned, it may be a question of the particular crops involved. Black covers on silage piles are a different process entirely that doesn't depend on an absolutely sealed container.

 

[Nigel]

We are actually in a dramatically colder climate than the UK, especially in the winter. As I mentioned, it may be a question of the particular crops involved. Black covers on silage piles are a different process entirely that doesn't depend on an absolutely sealed container.

Then maybe you use white to keep the heat of fermentation in!

The silage piles are exactly the same process and do require an absolute seal, although normally the plastic leaks and the outer layer of grass has to be discarded since it goes mouldy, the main reason for moving to wrapped bales was that there is no waste mouldy grass and if there is a leak then you loose 1 bale instead of the whole crop.

 

[Dashmellow]

Then maybe you use white to keep the heat of fermentation in!

The silage piles are exactly and do require an absolute seal, although normally the plastic leaks and the outer layer of grass has to be discarded since it goes mouldy, the main reason for moving to wrapped bales was that there is no waste mouldy grass and if there is a leak then you loose 1 bale instead of the whole crop.

Despite your claim of a single "main reason for moving to wrapped bales" there are numerous reasons for farmers switching to the modern practice of plastic wrapped anaerobic hay balage. These have to do with increased worker productivity, increased usable forage value per acre, forage can be baled at a higher moisture level thus shortening drying time and reducing potential exposure to rain, maximizing nutritional value, minimizing pathogenic health hazards to livestock, easier transportation, manipulation and placement of harvested crops and enhanced crop storage options, especially if no silos are available, all with reduced waste.

 

[Cessna CJ4]

for the record a couple of manufacturers have made cameras specifically for side mounting, they haven't sold particularly well in the past, perhaps in part due to the level of performance at the time, and quite possibly because it's difficult to come up with one size fits all type designs so the application wasn't that great either

I'm looking for one and can't find any. Can you post a link to the OEM? Thanks.

 

[Cessna CJ4]

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Classic covert narcissistic behavior with dressings of pathological object permanence. A textbox example of: "I'm GOD on this Forum and I'll make you pay if you post anything rational or objective."

Book Title: Unmasking the Narcissist. You might find yourself inside that book if you dare challenge yourself enough to read it and take it to heart.

 

[Dashmellow]

Classic covert narcissistic behavior with dressings of pathological object permanence. A textbox example of: "I'm GOD on this Forum and I'll make you pay if you post anything rational or objective."

Book Title: Unmasking the Narcissist. You might find yourself inside that book if you dare challenge yourself enough to read it and take it to heart.

Clearly, that Dilbert cartoon struck a nerve with you. It was meant as way of sending a message without engaging point by point to your onslaught of specific attacks and insults.

You know @Cessna CJ4, it's hard to believe you are really still at this but I'm sure I am speaking for everyone here in this thread and elsewhere on this forum in saying that we have all had about enough of your inappropriate demeanor and name calling. If you keep this up I am confident you won't be around here too much longer.

 

[jokiin]

I'm looking for one and can't find any. Can you post a link to the OEM? Thanks.

I don't recall specifically who was doing them or know if they still do them, not the sort of thing I've seen at any of the trade shows we do in the last 3 or so years at least, sorry

 

[Dashmellow]

It strikes a nerve in the mind of a complete narcissistic fool who thinks his twisted mind is somehow normative. Sure. In your mind you think you've done something meaningful. I would expect nothing less from a classic covert narcissist. You have to believe in your nonsense and you have to make sure that others believe in it too. Else, you'd drive yourself bonkers not having the attention focused on you in this forum.



It was meant to feed your ego. That's exactly what a covert narcissist does and then makes up some 'story' about why they did it in the first place. You should read the book. You are literally behaving exactly the way the book says you are expected to behave. You have been abundantly predictable - almost to the point of boredom.




Exactly, again, what the covert narcissist profile dictates. You create the problem in the first instance. Then, when you get called out for having dysfunctional frontal lobes you pivot, point the finger at your target and blame them for your own pathology. Again - read the book and discovery yourself. You will find yourself among the many pages that describe your viral behavior. You are the one continuing this with irrational behavior and ill judgement. I've merely call you out as a completely textbook covert narcissist and your behavior here does nothing but confirm that.

I'm not blaming you. I'm simply calling it out. I know you cannot help yourself and that indeed you need help - both ongoing treatment and counseling. Jeffrey Dahmer, was a narcissist among other things. John Wayne Gacy, was a narcissist among other things. Etc., etc., etc. You are not anomalistic in nature. However, your behavior here in this thread indicate that you are indeed a covert narcissist at minimum. The rest is up for a trained Psychiatrist to debut in you.

You've gotta be right and the focus must be on you. If your dysfunctional brain perceives a threat to that paradigm, you launch an attack no matter how irrational, illogical and unbecoming such an attack might be. Yours is not a search for truth, objectivity, insight, wisdom or that which is common sense or common ground. Yours is to manipulate, control, authorize, coerce and otherwise deceive others into believing that you are somehow protector of the realm that you have created and fashioned out of whole cloth in your dysfunctional mind. That is Covert Narcissism to the hilt and by the book. You could not be a bigger Online Social Media Poster Child for Cold Covert Narcissism.

I'm not laughing at your behavior because I find it amusing (I laughed aloud because I found your behavior so closely matches the book). I'm not impressed by your behavior. I'm not trying to hurt you because of your behavior. I'm not admiring your behavior. I am certainly not enabling your behavior (others here have done too much of that already). I'm simply identifying your behavior for what it is and I only wish that you seek the help you both deserve and need.

What you need won't be found on this forum, nor in the adulation that you think you receive here. What you need can only be found inside of you, but only after you recognize and accept that you indeed have a problem that is both biochemical and neurological. It is my wish that you get the help you need.

Have a better day.

Yep, you're definitely that guy in the Dilbert cartoon, only a far more contumelious version. You know, I'm thinking that it might be interesting to really get into it with you, going toe to toe in response to your character assassinations and insults using the same sort of vituperative trolling you have such a penchant for. It would be fun I think, if only just to witness the snarling paroxysms as your head explodes and we watch as you proceed to drive yourself right off the cliff with your anticipated reaction. Of course, nobody here would tolerate this, nor is it necessary. Whether you are attacking me, or @Gibson99 or the next guy to come here along with a comment or observation you don't like, you will surely self-destruct. In fact, you are already half way there, it's just a matter of time.

 

[Nigel]

"Recent research suggests that farmers should wrap bales with light-colored plastic rather than darker colors. “Farmers who use darker plastic will see it break down more quickly than those who use lighter-colored material. The darker plastic breaks down faster in the summer heat and sun, making it more permeable to oxygen and limiting the fermentation process.”

Sounds like the guy at the tyre store trying to charge me extra to fill my tyres with "Nitrogen" instead of the normal very cheap 78%-21% Nitrogen-Oxygen gas mix!

 

[SawMaster]

Well anyhoo, just as there is not a perfect dashcam made (and never will be), a side cam will be likewise- just a choice among possibilities and a compromise in the end But at least there are good cams to choose from so all is not lost

Phil

 

[Dan Robinson]

I got around the airbag issue by running the wire around the frame of the door to the front hinge, with enough slack to allow the door to open and close.

I had to mount the camera at the top of the rear window for 2 reasons. One, since the side windows are slightly curved, the plane is more vertical toward the bottom and slightly angled at the top. This means the maximum camera viewing angle is higher at the top than at the bottom (which is an issue with the wedge cams like the SG, which can just barely adjust high enough for a proper view when mounted as a side cam). This is why I chose to not mount the cam on the small "rear vent" window (the small triangular piece behind the main rear window). It is too small and too "vertical" to allow the SG to mount with a optimal view (lens would point down toward the ground too much even at max adjustable lens angle). Two, if you mount the camera at the bottom or middle of the window, it can't be rolled down - and you risk breaking the mount and/or the camera if the window is accidentally rolled down.

 

[Dashmellow]

Sounds like the guy at the tyre store trying to charge me extra to fill my tyres with "Nitrogen" instead of the normal very cheap 78%-21% Nitrogen-Oxygen gas mix!

Considering that the entire discussion here has revolved solely around the logic of using white bale wrapping plastics versus black or dark wrappings it seems odd that you would completely ignore the cited authoritative article and quote recommending lighter colors over darker ones to farmers. What strikes me as even more bizarre is that you are now conflating copolymer rubber compounds in automotive tires designed to endure all sorts of long term stressful conditions and environments with the actual subject at hand which is 1.5 mil laminated polyethylene sheeting designed to protect an agricultural crop for a single harvest season. Seems quite a reach.

You know @Nigel, yesterday I posted a side camera screen shot from a new camera I've been experimenting with. Out of all the footage I shot recently with that cam I chose the image I did because I thought it might be amusing and of interest to forum members who might not be familiar with "Giant Field Marshmallows", especially since it was Halloween. My intent was to help get the thread back on topic after it was derailed by an abusive forum member.

For some peculiar reason @Nigel, for quite a long time now, in one thread after another you repeatedly engage me in these picayune, off topic debates which quickly become distracting, tiresome and serve no useful purpose. The more you instigate and press forward with such petty debates and argument, the more tedious it becomes, for all of us. It's really about time to cut it out.

 

[kamkar]

Yeah it is possible to wire and do so right next to a airbag, but it generally take a bit more thought and time to be able to do it.

 

[Dashmellow]

Yeah it is possible to wire and do so right next to a airbag, but it generally take a bit more thought and time to be able to do it.

I think if there should ever be a commercially produced side facing interior camera it may need to be a break-away design of some sort so that it would not impede an airbag. Then again, if an airbag is involved there is the possibility that a lateral facing camera could become a projectile that could injure passengers in the rear seat. Perhaps it could be tethered so that it can break away from its mounting point without causing injury?

Along with design challenges in developing a "universal" interior side camera, liability issues like mentioned above may be an additional reason why manufactures might be reluctant to pursue this product category.

 

[kamkar]

Yes i an not too worried by a light camera getting torn off and accelerated by a inflating airbag and then maybe hit me or a person i care about, but manufactures that might be held reliable might think otherwise.
What i think with a side camera is that it must be located close to the door glass, cuz then there are a large chance the airbag will inflate beside it or at worst just push it down and maybe even trapping camera in between door and the curtain airbag.
I am confident it can be done without braking the bank, but prime objective must be keeping it small and light.

 

[TonyM]

This is a interesting approach to 360 degree recording
https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/threads/360-panoramic-mirror-camera-in-japan.31428/

 

[kamkar]

That,,,,, and a rear camera

 

[Nigel]

That,,,,, and a rear camera

I think you will want a front camera too if you want to read any number plates!

However it may show why the accident happened which a normal camera wouldn't, it has a good view of the driver doing things they shouldn't!!!